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Missed That Bus
The time to talk tough with the EU was the day after the (non-binding) referendum result.
"Reform, or we'll leave" would have been seen as a serious threat, and got them worried, especially since the peoples of at least a couple of other significant member countries at the time shared our concerns about the EU Commission's autonomy, the plank which metamorphosed into the "Take back control" slogan on the Brexit Bus.
By rushing into signing Article 50 we missed the bus and blew our chances - yet another misjudgement by the self-serving Tories.
P.S. Although a Remainer, I share absolutely the Brexiteer's dislike and distrust of the Commission, I just think the shedding of all advantages of membership seems too risky - I hope I'm proved wrong in this respect.
"Reform, or we'll leave" would have been seen as a serious threat, and got them worried, especially since the peoples of at least a couple of other significant member countries at the time shared our concerns about the EU Commission's autonomy, the plank which metamorphosed into the "Take back control" slogan on the Brexit Bus.
By rushing into signing Article 50 we missed the bus and blew our chances - yet another misjudgement by the self-serving Tories.
P.S. Although a Remainer, I share absolutely the Brexiteer's dislike and distrust of the Commission, I just think the shedding of all advantages of membership seems too risky - I hope I'm proved wrong in this respect.
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//"Reform, or we'll leave" would have been seen as a serious threat,..//
I thought that nice Mr Cameron threatened that about four years ago. Or at least he threatened "reform or I'll ask the people what they want". (He did. They told him and a lot of good that seems to have done).
The EU doesn't do reform. The word is not in its vocabulary.
I would hardly say nine months is "rushing".
I thought that nice Mr Cameron threatened that about four years ago. Or at least he threatened "reform or I'll ask the people what they want". (He did. They told him and a lot of good that seems to have done).
The EU doesn't do reform. The word is not in its vocabulary.
I would hardly say nine months is "rushing".
The EU is not for reforming.
The EUis for ever greater and ever closer ties.
The EU is wants to force all member countries to adopt the Euro at some point.
The EU wants its own Army.
The EU wants to take away Diplomatic rights from member states to itself.
The EU dictates VAT.
The EU decides Many different aspects of fiscality in member states.
And
And
And
And
A host of other things that dilute nationhood and takes national sovereignty away from member states and gives it to itself.
If the EU had remained a trading block ie: The EEC then we would not be in this position.
As it is we are stuck because this bunch of MPs are incapable of actually running the country and are too frightened of a fabled blip in the economy that would hardly be noticed if they had done their jobs properly.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
The EUis for ever greater and ever closer ties.
The EU is wants to force all member countries to adopt the Euro at some point.
The EU wants its own Army.
The EU wants to take away Diplomatic rights from member states to itself.
The EU dictates VAT.
The EU decides Many different aspects of fiscality in member states.
And
And
And
And
A host of other things that dilute nationhood and takes national sovereignty away from member states and gives it to itself.
If the EU had remained a trading block ie: The EEC then we would not be in this position.
As it is we are stuck because this bunch of MPs are incapable of actually running the country and are too frightened of a fabled blip in the economy that would hardly be noticed if they had done their jobs properly.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
// they [remainer MPS] frightened of a fabled blip in the economy//
Uncertainty (of any kind) is bad for business because you can't make plans while the rules are changing or in flux.
You remove uncertainty by Leave now without a deal, or by withdrawing A50.
As the latter option is what they really want, and if they are sincerely interested in business, then that's the one they ought to choose.
I'd sooner have an honest t***er stabbing me in the front thant a slime-ball stabbing me in the back.y ought
Uncertainty (of any kind) is bad for business because you can't make plans while the rules are changing or in flux.
You remove uncertainty by Leave now without a deal, or by withdrawing A50.
As the latter option is what they really want, and if they are sincerely interested in business, then that's the one they ought to choose.
I'd sooner have an honest t***er stabbing me in the front thant a slime-ball stabbing me in the back.y ought
I am not a politician, but it appears to me that some truths are so obvious, you need only a degree of interest in human nature to be aware of them, and I have pointed them out many times over the last few months and years, so in no particular order -
The EU doesn't want the UK to leave, so it absolutely will make it as difficult as possible in order to discourage any other member state from seeing the UK have an easy exit, and be minded to do the same.
The EU holds the UK in complete contempt, and always has done, so from the get go, its negotiating position will be high-handed and pompous.
Bearing that in mind coupled with the simple ecconomic truth that the EU exports twice as much to us as we do to them, we were in a seriously strong position entering the negotiations, and should have played hard-ball from day one - These are our terms, meet them or we walk.
For some reason we have arrived at the notion that leaving without a deal will be tantamount to the end of the world as we know it - such has been the rampant scaremongering that has taken place.
Yes there will be disruption, but disruption is an unavoidable given, we simply have to get through it - and given that the EU wants as little disruption for its own benefit, the notion that they will stop trading is simply a nonsense.
Now we face a situation of a potential Customs Union where we remain tied to paying into the EU, with no actual say in its regulations, which, correct me if I'm wrong, was not what the referendum vote demanded, and Parliament is honour bound to provide.
We should call the EU's bluff and walk away with no deal, you will be amazed how quickly they will align their regulations to allow trade to continue with us - because they need to, and somehow our superior bargaining position, which has remained throughout, is being ignored as if it doesn't exist.
Walk away Mrs May, the country, and history, will thank you for it.
The EU doesn't want the UK to leave, so it absolutely will make it as difficult as possible in order to discourage any other member state from seeing the UK have an easy exit, and be minded to do the same.
The EU holds the UK in complete contempt, and always has done, so from the get go, its negotiating position will be high-handed and pompous.
Bearing that in mind coupled with the simple ecconomic truth that the EU exports twice as much to us as we do to them, we were in a seriously strong position entering the negotiations, and should have played hard-ball from day one - These are our terms, meet them or we walk.
For some reason we have arrived at the notion that leaving without a deal will be tantamount to the end of the world as we know it - such has been the rampant scaremongering that has taken place.
Yes there will be disruption, but disruption is an unavoidable given, we simply have to get through it - and given that the EU wants as little disruption for its own benefit, the notion that they will stop trading is simply a nonsense.
Now we face a situation of a potential Customs Union where we remain tied to paying into the EU, with no actual say in its regulations, which, correct me if I'm wrong, was not what the referendum vote demanded, and Parliament is honour bound to provide.
We should call the EU's bluff and walk away with no deal, you will be amazed how quickly they will align their regulations to allow trade to continue with us - because they need to, and somehow our superior bargaining position, which has remained throughout, is being ignored as if it doesn't exist.
Walk away Mrs May, the country, and history, will thank you for it.
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