Transgender

[Deskdiary]

For the first time in my life I've used LOL.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6896091/Hospital-apologises-transgender-woman-dressed-Mrs-Claus-mistaken-man.html

Come on....even the most achingly right-on amongst us on AB, and there's loads, must find this LOL. I more than LOL'd, I bloody roared with laughter. He was wearing an Ann Summers Mrs Clause outfit fer christ's sake.

What the hell is somebody who is clearly a bloke doing pouting like that?

Am I wrong to find this hilarious?

[spathiphyllum]

is a personality disorder a delusion?

[Calicogirl]

Tbh though you are making me uncomfortable for that matter Pixie, I think what you are suggesting disempowers women, it makes us appear weak, vulnerable and pathetic, it makes us fear things we should not fear and once that becomes normalised and established it has a knock on effect with the way men and trans women are perceived. I don't want this for womankind, it's not healthy imho.
Of course you get men who attack women, but they are not trans women, they are violent men with an agenda, and they do not represent even a fraction of 1% of men in the street, and if you think having a little sign on a toilet which says 'LADIES' means a rapist can't barge in there and rape you, then...

[pixie374]

Sometimes, yes. Not always.

[pixie374]

If you worked in that environment, spath, you would be trained in how to behave so as to help and not harm, so actually, you wouldn't do that.

[spathiphyllum]

OK, thanks pixie. I respect your position, and i can see the circumstances where i would agree with it. However as a principle i do feel trans men and women are just trying to live their lifes without a hidden agenda or trying to take things away from other people. They just are confused, and i personally see it as a bit of a personality disorder. Yes it may be a delusion, but i'm happy to keep them happy by calling them what they wish to be called.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Oh, by the way, do you want forty year old Erica with a penis going into the changing room with your ten year old daughter?

Hands up, you lot.

[pixie374]

There is no need to make it easier, cal, in any case. Safety is not about being weak. Men are physically stronger and also far more prone to violence (a fact, not an opinion). Which is why we are allowed safe spaces in the first place. Of course it doesn't mean every man or that every woman is weak. It is real life and needs to be taken into account.

[spathiphyllum]

"If you worked in that environment, spath, you would be trained in how to behave so as to help and not harm, so actually, you wouldn't do that."

I believe you. As i was typing i did think "but surely that makes me an enabler"

[pixie374]

Thank you, spath x

[Calicogirl]

Erica with a penis could change in the same changing room mas my hypothetical 10 year old daughter and that would not worry unduly.
If you go to Germany to Saunas, festivals, anywhere essentially you get a lot of people, you have very often communal mixed sex changing rooms and no-one bats an eyelid, and imho that's the way it should be. The UK is super hung up about nudity, gender identity, sexuality and it makes me really uncomfortable VE. x

[spathiphyllum]

and on that note, to lighten the mood, here are some of my recent nudes-

https://bit.ly/2Xh9Cbz

[ludwig]

Pixie, you have talked a lot of sense on this thread.

[pixie374]

Thank you Ludwig:-)
I always do, but nobody notices lol x

[naomi24]

If transgender people think that specifically designated toilets and changing areas shouldn’t matter women why does it matter to them?

[Sqad]

Calico

"If you go to Germany to Saunas, festivals, anywhere essentially you get a lot of people, you have very often communal mixed sex changing rooms and no-one bats an eyelid,"

Of course they don't bat an eyelid as the opponents of such behaviour just don't integrate, so that you have just one side of then story.

In Spain, some fathers brought their 8 year old daughters into the male changing room and I felt uncomfortable. In the female changing room the older women would change in the cubicle not exposing themselves even to their own sex.
It is a generation thing.

[naomi24]

*matter to women*

[Spicerack]

// and every man is not a potential rapist.//

I think you'll find they are, Cali.

[woofgang]

spicerack that is a very sad comment

[Calicogirl]

Spicey, no they really aren't, most men are honest, good decent human beings, just because they own equipment to make something possible doesn't mean they ever will even contemplate it.
I own a set of brishes but I'm never going to become a chimney sweep.

[ladybirder]

Pixie it doesn't go unnoticed.