French Guillotine For The Uk

[Khandro]

President Macron has said that the UK’s due date of departure from the EU on October 31st is the “final, final deadline” and that there will be no extension.

So why, instead of 'doing something', do nothing and leave by default, - in other words, be given the boot, without need of a majority meaningful vote?

[dannyk13]

Great idea Khandro

[Kathyan]

He said something similar before but changed his mind at the last minute.

[mushroom25]

both labour and tory manifestos at the last election undertook to respect the referendum, and the enactment of A50 was almost unanimously supported by parliament. since then, tory Brexiters have been lining up to put Brexit at risk by repeatedly voting against real existing Brexit. Now most of them promise to renegotiate the UK’s withdrawal agreement with the EU, even though the Europeans insist they won’t renegotiate, having already refused to do so with Britain’s last two prime ministers. the EU can't cave and give Britain a sweetheart deal, or else every member state would want one and the single market would fall apart. and yet it's not just a tory perspective - Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn plans to try the renegotiation futility as well.

[NellieMay]

Basically, we have been and still are being bullied. We should now honour the referendum result and just leave. They will have to talk if we do that. They need us! the referendum was simple in or out, not about deals. And no, I am not naive and was not taken in by campaigns or a statement on a bus!

[Prudie]

I hate Macron

[dannyk13]

If Boris gets to be Pm we will leave (with or without a deal) on 31st October. If Gove gets to be PM we will noy leave until the end of 2020, if at all.

[NellieMay]

Agree Prudie.

[Hopkirk]

A bit hard to get a deal by October 31st. There's no one in position to talk to at the moment.

[Old_Geezer]

It's what we hoped for in previous deadlines; but unless you bypass the undemocratic MPs wanting their own way rather than supply the people's decision then all sorts of delays and issues arise. As MPs are proving inadequate to their job, and untrustworthy, the only option seems to be to suspend the house for the period.

And maybe save the French guillotine for Mr Bercow ?

[agchristie]

//French Guillotine For The Uk//

Ready for the many basket cases in Parliament...

[david small]

It’s a national shame that we have and tolerate such a sham of a so called government.

[Old_Geezer]

Now't to do with sweetheart deals. More to do with being realistic regarding the NI border that they are trying to make an issue of. All they need to do is have the paperwork system in place, and check for folk avoiding customs and smuggling, as is done on every border where there is no customs post. But they want to make a big deal out of it just to be awkward.

[ichkeria]

That’s what he wants, or says he does, but the reality is they will extend to next June if need be, which is the deadline for the next budget round.

[agchristie]

//but the reality is they will extend to next June if need be//

Well,we have already had one 'final,final deadline' so don't rule out another.

(Stupid phrase isn't it?)

[Gromit]

The EU have already agreed a deal for the UK to leave.

It is the British Parliament who will not or cannot ratify the deal. It is bonkers to blame the EU for the impasse when the blame lies squarely with us.
The British Government sent a negotiating team and a returned with an agreement it thought was acceptable, and then the Conservative/DUP majority rejected it - several times.
Yet somehow it is not our fault but the EUs?

[Gromit]

The UK leaving with no deal will be very bad for the EU. And very bad for us too. There will be no winners, only losers.
Everything should be done for us to leave in an orderly fashion, and plan strategically for the next phase.
Those advocating doing nothing in the hope it will all be alright in the end, will do this country irreparable damage for decades.

[dannyk13]

Gromit //The British Government sent a negotiating team and a returned with an agreement it thought was acceptable//
Everyone agreed that this deal would leave us worse than we are now, still in the EU but with no say.

[douglas9401]

This 'final, final deal' is the last chance saloon and where there's a last there's cobblers.

Nobody's leaving anything.

Well, only major employers leaving here.

[ichkeria]

The deal takes us out of the EU - after the transition phase. We leave the customs union the single market the CAP the CFP etc etc
The difficult bit is the Irish border - casually ignored as an issue before and still disregarded now by the no dealers
Here we go again :-)

[cassa333]

Politicians lie all the time.

No deal is better than a bad deal.
There will be no extension
We are leaving on 29th March 2019
There will be no new extension
Our manifesto said we would honour the referendum result x2

What the EU are hoping is that because of all the kerfuffle with a new PM we will ask for a loooong extension (they would be happy as we would be paying in longer) or we remind A50 (they would be happy because we would be trapped and they would make us pay one way or the other) or the May deal is, begrudgingly accepted (and we become trapped indefinitely with no possibility of escape.