Sir Humphrey Says We Are Ok For No Deal......so Lets Get On With It.

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48631741
Instead of hand wringing and allowing the EUSSR to shaft us, should we just accept no deal and prepare for it as best we can in the remaining time?

[agchristie]

that was to steg.

[steg]

//The argument that voters were ignorant of any 'deal' when the voted is entirely spurious, and the sort of nonsense the Remainers love to spout. //

That’s not what I said tho is it

[steg]

//^ who left the joker on the pack?!//

Boris is on his way

[andy-hughes]

steg - // //The argument that voters were ignorant of any 'deal' when the voted is entirely spurious, and the sort of nonsense the Remainers love to spout. //

That’s not what I said tho is it //

No, it wasn't.

What you said was, if the 'deal' had been sorted out before the referendum, eveyone would be in a better position now.

So your suggested scenario appears to be something like this -

Hello EU? It's UK here, we're thinking about running a 'Leave Or Stay?' style vote past the folks here, we were wondering, would you like to enter into two-and-a-half years of extremely complex and time-consuming negotiations about leaving the EU, costing millions of Euros, and then sort out a deal, and wait and see if our lot actually want to leave or not?

You'd rather have the vote first, because if they vote to stay, the entire process will have been a waste of time and money?

That sounds reasonable. Thanks. Bye.

I trust that lays out the serious flaw in your argument.

[New Judge]

The "light bulb" matter was raised by me when constantly pressed for influences that the EU exerts over member nations every day. It was a flippant answer to an irrelevant question.

For the record I decided in 1992 that given the chance I would vote to leave the EU. That was long before alternative forms of household light bulbs became widely available, let alone were made compulsory.

[Canary42]

/// it actually does seem as though the opinions of Remainers are thought of as more correct than those of Leavers. By remainers, anyway...///

and conversely it seems as though the opinions of the Leavers are thought of as more correct than those of Remainers. By Leavers, anyway...

[Peter Pedant]

o god more argument on the lines of:

must ruin this country because I want filament light bulbs or I want none of the money we sent to the EU (*) to go to the NHS ( or some other damned non sequitur)

(*) getting around the riposte that Boris NEVER said the £350m sent to the EU was gonna be sent instead on the NHS

this HAS to be AB pure and - - - simple

[Playbill]

Thank you naomi and New Judge for reminding me of where I read that about the light bulbs.

Anyway, if even the goverment had no idea of what a mess the leave result would cause, how could ANYONE vote for it without knowing the true impact.

[dannyk13]

Playbill, the true impact could only become apparent after we leave.The referendum had a simple choice leave or stay.

[Peter Pedant]

// Thank you naomi and New Judge for reminding me of where I read that about the light bulbs. //

it kinda illuminated a dark spot in my miiiiiiind
and I thought yeah I must vote leave !

and I thought in a flash - yeah I must leave !!

jesus no wonder we are in the crap we are

[Playbill]

dannyk13 - we have not left yet and are already in a mess!

[ToraToraTora]

bang on AH, BA. It's regular feature of the remoaners argument that had we known what would ensue we'd vote to continue our enslavement. BS.

[dannyk13]

Playbill, your post was asking how anybody could vote without knowing the outcome.Because they were given the choice of stay or leave and that is what they voted on.

[ToraToraTora]

TBH though if the question had these choices:
a) remain
b) leave after 3 years fighting the VBQ doing do their best to leave us subjugated to the EUSSR.
I'd still vote b

[Playbill]

Yes danny, there were two choices. By remaining, at least we knew what we were dealing with and had a say in that (despite of all the 'unelected bureaucrats making our laws', etc). Yet now we still have no idea HOW we will be leaving - deal or no deal; Irish backstop; trade deals, etc, etc..

[dannyk13]

Playbill, unless the EU agree a different deal, which they have said they will not consider, then we will leave without a deal on 31st October.

[Playbill]

Oh well, let's hope Boris or whoever is in charge of the country by then has a plan for the following day, weeks, months and years ahead.

[steg]

//So your suggested scenario appears to be something like this -

Hello EU? It's UK here, we're thinking about running a 'Leave Or Stay?' style vote past the folks here, we were wondering, would you like to enter into two-and-a-half years of extremely complex and time-consuming negotiations about leaving the EU, costing millions of Euros, and then sort out a deal, and wait and see if our lot actually want to leave or not?

You'd rather have the vote first, because if they vote to stay, the entire process will have been a waste of time and money?

That sounds reasonable. Thanks. Bye.

I trust that lays out the serious flaw in your argument.//

Ah the good old ‘so’ rule lol

Not really no, because we wouldn’t of known how long it would take or how much it would cost if it was sorted before..
But we are now in a situation.... well I’m sure I don’t need to explain.

[Khandro]

No one can know what lies ahead, the important thing is not to have a ditherer like May (or Corbyn !) in charge. It's a role for someone who can be decisive & adaptable to circumstances, & Boris fits the bill better than any of the others.

[steg]

//What you said was, if the 'deal' had been sorted out before the referendum, eveyone would be in a better position now. //

No I never said that either