Another Looney Decsion...

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-48802167
What now? rip up the tram tracks lest a cyclist gets' it wrong? Madness.

[Old_Geezer]

If it's a long term known issue then all the more reason for those insisting on risking their lives riding bikes on the road to know about it and avoid it. They don't have a right to not take responsibility for themselves. These days everyone seems to think their safety is someone else's responsibility. Must be how their parents brought them up.

"Ooo look, tramlines, let's ignore the danger and go get our wheels stuck."

[THECORBYLOON]

I think cyclists are aware they should not ride into the groove. They know to cross the groove and the ideal direction would be at right-angles to the track.

The issue was that at some points they were expected to cross at 10° to the track, hence some accidents.

[THECORBYLOON]

OG, many roads have potholes. If the council knows about them but fails to fix them and you damage your car on a road you know to have potholes, whose fault is it?

[Togo]

//The issue was that at some points they were expected to cross at 10° to the track, hence some accidents. //

Who expected them to? Do you mean that someone "expected" them to show a bit of gumption or common sense and cross the tramlines where it was safe? Or god forbid get off the bikes to cross? Wrong again, just as they carry on in all environments or conditions they have seized the "right" of way and access to suit their own selfish ways. But when it goes its tup……...weeeell it has to be someone elses fault.

[douglas9401]

If somebody, right at the start of the tram farce, had taken away the strong drink from the bumbling incompetents in charge of our capital city the three quarters of a BILLION pounds would never have been spent on this vanity project.

The damned things run empty most of the time and don't stop anywhere you might want to go.

The cherry on the cake is that they're actually going to forge ahead with the section the cancelled years ago, the booze fuelled meetings go on apace.

As for the cyclists, mad.

In closing, the city-wide pollution-busting 20 mph limit inflicted has resulted in nothing more or less than a fume filled former world beating city.

Got a castle though. You'll have had your tea?

[Mamyalynne]

If they had followed the solution found to this issue in the Netherlands then those roads would be safe for all road users.

[JimF]

I agree with almost everything you say, Douglas, other than the trams not going anywhere you might want to go - they go everywhere I want to go when I'm in Edinburgh. That said, they are an absolute waste of time and money and should never have happened.

[Togo]

Was in Edinburgh a while back Douglas, when the main road was closed from Haymarket right up past the Castle. No work was being done, the coach had to make a detour to get to the hotel, shops had closed, pedestrians could only cross at designated points, Taxis would not enter the disaster zone, buses were as rare as hen's teeth and we never laughed so much in 3 days as we did then. Think we stayed at the Hilton(Haymarket end) and there were 2 wedding receptions on. I had a dance with the bride from one and got a yank "funny" hissed of his pead on Johny Walker Black and had the best dinner ever at the Gardeners Cottage. Never saw a bikey all weekend.

[Spicerack]

^Great. Any spare rubber they could wrap around the lampposts in case the cyclists bump into them.

[Spicerack]

Were you up for the Pride March, togo?

[Togo]

Haha. Which one Spice? The homepride or mothers pride?

[Spicerack]

The funny one.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-48709633?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_scotland_news&ns_linkname=scotland&ns_source=twitter

[Togo]

//^Great. Any spare rubber they could wrap around the lampposts in case the cyclists bump into them. //

Of course...….and get rid of all those nuisance hills and mountains(like in Holland) so that they can pedal furiously everywhere without goosing their personal stats monitor figures up.

[Togo]

Aww stop it Spice. I would have got run over with those signals...…..or ran over someone. :))

[ChillDoubt]

Thankfully, Mamya provides a voice of reason on this whole thread. It’s obviously a design fault, however the powers that be decided to press on regardless.
Typical UK attitude to cyclists from the majority of posters.
Wonder how they’d feel if it were their 10 year old granddaughter who was in a similar predicament as the young doctor who lost her life?

Granted, some cyclists ride idiotically but you all post on here as if you’re the worlds best drivers who never transgress!
Pathetic really and ironic that later I’ll be submitting another video to the Police in regards to the doddery old dear in her Merc who tried to kill me yesterday, but it’s a regular occurrence to have to submit such videos, 5 prosecutions and 9 warnings already this year and we’re not even into July yet.

Still, have a good evening.

[THECORBYLOON]

From the Judgement

"The Road Safety Audits
[13] At specified stages during the design and installation of the Tram, the defenders
commissioned reports from independent consultants to conduct a safety audit, known as Road Safety Audits (“RSAs”) of the Tram. The Stage 2 RSA was conducted in May 2008
(“RSA Stage 2”). The first part of the Stage 3 RSA was completed in March 2011 (“RSA Stage
3”), after completion of the majority of the tram works in Princes Street. (There was also a Stage 3 RSA
conducted in April 2014 by Wyllie Lodge (“Wyllie Lodge”).) The audit conducted as stage 4 post-completion of the Tram was done in July 2015 (“the Stage 4 RSA”).
Although voluminous, only a relatively few passages were referred to. I note only the
passages relevant to the locations and layouts in this proof, which are as follows:
(1) RSA Stage 2 (May 2008) (No 6/38 of process):
(i) It was noted (at para B6.3.10) at Haymarket that cyclists “… are expected to cross the tram tracks at a shallow angle of some 10° whilst
making about a 60 m radius turn. As such they will also be banked over increasing the risk of their wheel slipping out from under
resulting in a fall accident…”. It was recommended that the layout be amended to include a crossing of the Tram at a greater angle, although this recommendation was not implemented until after Ms Fairley’s accident."

The audit carried out for the Council identified a problem and recommended a solution. Unfortunately, it was not implemented in time to prevent an accident.

[wolf63]

The idea of hugging Polar Bears both fascinates and horrifies me.

[Togo]

//The idea of hugging Polar Bears both fascinates and horrifies me. //

Then you need to read Northern Lights by Philip Pullman wolf.

[wolf63]

Togo
Only if the PBs win. They are huge animals. I don't any human would have a chance.

[Spicerack]

// but it’s a regular occurrence to have to submit such videos, 5 prosecutions and 9 warnings already this year and we’re not even into July yet. //

Pathetic. Pity you didn't have a number plate on yer bike so busybodies with nothing better to do could report you to the Stasi.