Was Trump Racist When He Suggested That If These Women Were Not Happy Living In The Us They Could Always Leave?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/15/theresa-may-condemns-trumps-remarks-about-four-congresswomen

[naomi24]

No. I agree with him.

[jim360]

Yes. I don't agree with him.

[Old_Geezer]

I think he phrased things in a way that was seen to be racist. I don't know if that was intentional but he seems to like to court controversy. There are better ways to argue that your opponents are wrong.

[jno]

yes.

[spathiphyllum]

I don't think the tweet was racist if it was factual but it is really on the edge... because it implies that america is Superior... so it's more racial implications than solid racism.

[ToraToraTora]

no he's bang on, sort out your own t1sh lohes before criticising the country you live. We are too tolerant of those live in the civilised world. If it's so wonderful where you originate, go back there.

[jno]

he wasn't necessarily wrong, OG. He claimed that their own countries were broken and crime infested.

[jim360]

At least three of the four women he was targeting were born in the US. The US *is* their country. Trying to imply otherwise -- to tell someone to "go back to their own country -- is massively racist. There's no ambiguity about that.

[dannyk13]

He suggested that they should go back to their own countries. Three of them were born in the USA.

[ummmm]

TTT....They are American!

[spathiphyllum]

"He suggested that they should go back to their own countries. Three of them were born in the USA."

Oh......... Well.... -.-

[naomi24]

I don’t see how it was racist. He said something like ‘You can go if you like, you can come back if you like’. His issue was with people who have chosen to live in the USA, and those born of immigrants to the USA, who are criticising the USA. Personally I think saying that if they’re unhappy they can choose to live elsewhere is perfectly reasonable.

[ToraToraTora]

it's irrelevant that 3 where born in the US, they still have the culture of their respective nations, at least for the immediate generation.

[jim360]

Or they can choose to live in the country they were born in, and are unhappy with, and try to improve it.

[ToraToraTora]

Trump scares TROB because he says what most of us think and would say in the bar of the Red Lion. He's not a politician, we need more like him in politics.

[spathiphyllum]

"it's irrelevant that 3 where born in the US, they still have the culture of their respective nations, at least for the immediate generation."


Trump wouldn't have said they can go back to where they came from if they were white, though. And they came from the USA anyway lol. How is it not racist? It's prejudice from the colour of their skin. That is racist, fact.

[jim360]

He says what *you* would think. Don't mistake that for the opinions of the majority.

[ToraToraTora]

jim:"Or they can choose to live in the country they were born in, and are unhappy with, and try to improve it." - does that mean turn it into Somalia? Or as Trump suggested they could go and live in the real Somalia, common sense non?

[Old_Geezer]

Americans seem to see things differently. When they refer to, for example, Irish Americans, they fail to see that those they refer to are not Irish and never have been. Their ancestors presumably were. Weird, but their you are. Trying to extend the number of pigeonholes one can assign folk to. So when an American says to go back to your own country, the country of your ancestors counts. Still foolishly put IMO.

[naomi24]

Jim, //Or they can choose to live in the country they were born in, and are unhappy with, and try to improve it. //

Yes, they can - and he didn't suggest otherwise.