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//But to call someone who, until today, had been a member of the Conservative Party for 29 years, an MP for 9 of them, and who had basically never voted against the government in that time a "treacherous rat" speaks volumes about the state of politics now.//
The whole Remainer situation speaks volumes for the state of politics now. Parliament voted for a referendum; every major party pledged to respect the result of that referendum and Parliament voted overwhelmingly to trigger A50. If you want to examine the state of politics now, examine it. His defection most certainly does speak volumes – about the entire treacherous bunch! Lies are no longer frowned upon. They’re positively encouraged and embraced. Shame on the lot of them.
The whole Remainer situation speaks volumes for the state of politics now. Parliament voted for a referendum; every major party pledged to respect the result of that referendum and Parliament voted overwhelmingly to trigger A50. If you want to examine the state of politics now, examine it. His defection most certainly does speak volumes – about the entire treacherous bunch! Lies are no longer frowned upon. They’re positively encouraged and embraced. Shame on the lot of them.
// They must know they have no chance of being reelected under a different banner.// jackdaw
jark jark - do you hear da bells jark ? (Klute 1971)
producer - interesting accent....
I feel sorry for people who do it for principle - they reach a point where they say to themselves, that they cant go on like this ..... they have to change
the only problem being it never seemed to cross the minds of some real poopheads I met in employment....
jark jark - do you hear da bells jark ? (Klute 1971)
producer - interesting accent....
I feel sorry for people who do it for principle - they reach a point where they say to themselves, that they cant go on like this ..... they have to change
the only problem being it never seemed to cross the minds of some real poopheads I met in employment....
// I don't think the 35,000 constituents who voted to leave in Bracknell are going to be very happy with him //
The 30,000 who voted Remain might suddenly like him, and some of the 24% who didn’t bother to vote might be happy with his change. It might also be that many who voted Leave (like Lee did) don’t actually want a ‘Hard Brexit’.
He has a large majority of 16,000, so he might get re-elected.
The 30,000 who voted Remain might suddenly like him, and some of the 24% who didn’t bother to vote might be happy with his change. It might also be that many who voted Leave (like Lee did) don’t actually want a ‘Hard Brexit’.
He has a large majority of 16,000, so he might get re-elected.
You can't point the lying finger one way. Yesterday Boris Johnson walked out in front of No 10 and lied to everybody's face when he said progress was being made. Pretty much nobody else in the EU knew what he was talking about. He also lied when he said he didn't want a GE. You must know that's an act: his entire pitch is to fight a GE on "Parliament v. the People", so he must be seen to be reluctant, but he's been gunning for that election, and for this office, since Day 1.
Meanwhile we're still left with the usual question of what "respecting the result of the referendum" means. The referendum was respected at the instant that A50 notification was given, thus forcing Parliament and Government to look at almost nothing else for the last three years, and in all likelihood get bogged down by the issue for the next three years and beyond too. No Deal barely got a mention in 2017, and in the 2016 campaign was a threat to be dismissed, rather than an aspiration to be chased.
At the moment, Parliament is fighting to take No Deal off the table, and then only for a few more months. It isn't fighting to take Brexit off the table.
Meanwhile we're still left with the usual question of what "respecting the result of the referendum" means. The referendum was respected at the instant that A50 notification was given, thus forcing Parliament and Government to look at almost nothing else for the last three years, and in all likelihood get bogged down by the issue for the next three years and beyond too. No Deal barely got a mention in 2017, and in the 2016 campaign was a threat to be dismissed, rather than an aspiration to be chased.
At the moment, Parliament is fighting to take No Deal off the table, and then only for a few more months. It isn't fighting to take Brexit off the table.
// a member of the Conservative Party for 29 years, an MP for 9 of them, and who had basically never voted against the government in that time//
yeah that is why I feel sorry for them - all he had to do was troop loyally into the lobbies for a few more years, as he has done for 30 (y), and he gets a sirship and a great big fat pension
perhaps even a sear in the Lords !
and he has given up the glittering prizes he slaved so hard and long for
they glitter no more
yeah that is why I feel sorry for them - all he had to do was troop loyally into the lobbies for a few more years, as he has done for 30 (y), and he gets a sirship and a great big fat pension
perhaps even a sear in the Lords !
and he has given up the glittering prizes he slaved so hard and long for
they glitter no more
Jim, //Yesterday Boris Johnson walked out in front of No 10 and lied to everybody's face when he said progress was being made. Pretty much nobody else in the EU knew what he was talking about. //
What is 'pretty much nobody else in the EU'? Did anyone know - or did no one know - and how do YOU know?
What is 'pretty much nobody else in the EU'? Did anyone know - or did no one know - and how do YOU know?
The referendum was about the end goal not kicking off the process. To respect it, it must be respected along the whole process, not set up a token façade then pull it down.
Anyway, when Mercle suggested Johnson had 30 days to suggest something else, did that not count as progress ?
Taking no deal off the table when the EU isn't interested in an adequate deal IS taking Brexit off the table; and everybody knows it.
Anyway, when Mercle suggested Johnson had 30 days to suggest something else, did that not count as progress ?
Taking no deal off the table when the EU isn't interested in an adequate deal IS taking Brexit off the table; and everybody knows it.
Naomi, re the claims of no progress: See, for example https:/
Multiple sources more or less confirm that, while both sides are talking to each other still, they aren't achieving a thing, and will continue to achieve nothing as long as the UK can't explain what it wants instead of the Backstop.
Multiple sources more or less confirm that, while both sides are talking to each other still, they aren't achieving a thing, and will continue to achieve nothing as long as the UK can't explain what it wants instead of the Backstop.
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