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Maybe if most MP's are remainers, it's because they've egos the size of a planet, think they know best, and refuse to represent the views of their nation as they should. One doesn't have to think sovereignty is better than being ruled by an external unelected elite, that goes without saying, the issue is about democracy and what the majority has decided is...
11:08 Mon 28th Oct 2019
I don't pretend to be unbiased. I do my best to set that bias aside. But the fact remains that, despite the claim by, among others, Jacob Rees-Mogg, that "you can get economists to say whatever you want", to date no economic grouping that I'm aware of seriously believes that No Deal is fine, except by using demonstrably flawed analysis; no government paper explaining how wonderful No Deal is has been leaked; and no business leaders are crying for No Deal exit to happen. Even those who've called for it only do so in the sense of trying to use it as a threat to advance negotiations. In that, I grant, they have been thwarted, but it is no threat to argue that we will damage our economy if the EU doesn't "play ball".
JRM is a *** anyway. I'm not so interested in the bigger business leaders tbh. More in what the public want- and have made clear. No amount of excuse now, will ever change the attempts to delay and prevaricate... in order to say- it was so long ago, people have changed their minds.
This is all pure arrogance and self-entitlement, from people who just cannot believe they can't just get what they want, because they say so. There has been too much time wasted over the result, instead of the method.
How long have we had now? Over 3 years? But another 3 months will suddenly bring it all together?
This is all pure arrogance and self-entitlement, from people who just cannot believe they can't just get what they want, because they say so. There has been too much time wasted over the result, instead of the method.
How long have we had now? Over 3 years? But another 3 months will suddenly bring it all together?
What's even the point of trying to refute points like that though. And you could always perform the analysis yourself, Ryzen.
I daresay such people *have* had an effect, to an extent, Pixie, but I don't see how easy it is to quantify as compared to, say, extreme Leavers demanding a solution that satisfies mutually contradictory positions, as regards the Irish border, for example.
I daresay such people *have* had an effect, to an extent, Pixie, but I don't see how easy it is to quantify as compared to, say, extreme Leavers demanding a solution that satisfies mutually contradictory positions, as regards the Irish border, for example.
It doesn't really need to be quantified. The fact that it has happened at all, shows the pure contempt for the results. Hence, why so much time has been wasted.
We could, by now, have been 3 years or so into being back on the up and above... but are just procrastinating and wasting so much time and money... while constantly proving to the public, that they shouldn't trust politicians. The damage is so much in the delays.
We could, by now, have been 3 years or so into being back on the up and above... but are just procrastinating and wasting so much time and money... while constantly proving to the public, that they shouldn't trust politicians. The damage is so much in the delays.
I'm not sure it shows contempt at all, Pixie. Even if you accept that we must leave, it stands to reason that it's in our interests to leave in the *right* way; and it further stands to reason that Remainers, who form about half of the country, have at least some role in shaping their future. No-one should be expected to abandon their position; the evidence of what was good or bad for the UK didn't change on 23rd June.
JD, do you not have etiquette?
That would be very shady, and would say a lot about us as a nation.
How will people build healthy relationships with us if they saw us do the EU dirty like that? They've not actually done anything wrong. The UK just has a sour taste from the result of the EU elections because it didn't go in their favour. It's rather childish, and is the exact thing brexeteers accuse remoaners of doing. How ironic is it?
That would be very shady, and would say a lot about us as a nation.
How will people build healthy relationships with us if they saw us do the EU dirty like that? They've not actually done anything wrong. The UK just has a sour taste from the result of the EU elections because it didn't go in their favour. It's rather childish, and is the exact thing brexeteers accuse remoaners of doing. How ironic is it?
I think you have it the wrong way round, spath.
Imagine telling someone you wanted a divorce, then forcing them to cohabit with you for several more years, demanding they do everything you say. Do you really think that is the way to continue any healthy future relationships?
You and Jim seem to see the EU as bullies, just as much as we do.
Imagine telling someone you wanted a divorce, then forcing them to cohabit with you for several more years, demanding they do everything you say. Do you really think that is the way to continue any healthy future relationships?
You and Jim seem to see the EU as bullies, just as much as we do.
And spath... I am not denying Jim is educated, obviously. As are many others. However, Jim does have a tendency to choose what conclusion he wants and then look for proof that he is right. The opposite of most people. And something I have always (as Jim knows) found hard to co-ordinate with an intelligent scientist.
"Imagine telling someone you wanted a divorce, then forcing them to cohabit with you for several more years, demanding they do everything you say. Do you really think that is the way to continue any healthy future relationships?"
That's not how it is though.. Let me rephrase your example.
Imagine telling someone you want a divorce because things went democratically in the relationship and not exactly how you wanted, also maybe sometimes you were financially supporting it a bit more than others in the relationship were and because of this you felt you had every right to feel things should go exactly how you say, forgetting that you're in a Polyamory relationship, and not a monogamous one and others in that relationship also financially support more than they get out of it even if some didn't.
Then imagine saying right, i'm off, and i'm going to leave under my own rules. I get to keep all of this, you can have that, but that's it - treating those you were in a relationship as if they were one. You know, opposed to, being mature and splitting things down the middle like any relationship without a Prenuptial agreement would...
Then begin so self entitled to pussy foot around leaving, constantly asking for extensions and having internal dilemmas with your own mind.
No one is to blame, the whole thing is a *** show, one we do not look good in, no matter how you feel.
That's not how it is though.. Let me rephrase your example.
Imagine telling someone you want a divorce because things went democratically in the relationship and not exactly how you wanted, also maybe sometimes you were financially supporting it a bit more than others in the relationship were and because of this you felt you had every right to feel things should go exactly how you say, forgetting that you're in a Polyamory relationship, and not a monogamous one and others in that relationship also financially support more than they get out of it even if some didn't.
Then imagine saying right, i'm off, and i'm going to leave under my own rules. I get to keep all of this, you can have that, but that's it - treating those you were in a relationship as if they were one. You know, opposed to, being mature and splitting things down the middle like any relationship without a Prenuptial agreement would...
Then begin so self entitled to pussy foot around leaving, constantly asking for extensions and having internal dilemmas with your own mind.
No one is to blame, the whole thing is a *** show, one we do not look good in, no matter how you feel.
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