London Bridge Attack

[diddlydo]

Let us all hope and pray that the horrific attacks at London Bridge do not become Boris's equivalent of Thatcher's "Falklands factor".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/01/boris-johnson-election-issue-london-bridge-attack

[naomi24]

Corbyn's another one who doesn't understand Islam. Idiot man.

[TheDevil]

Naomi I feel you've made your point, and now you're just disrupting any discussion with your lack of validity.

[emmie]

I trust Naomi's judgement and suspect that she knows more about Islam than many on this site.

[naomi24]

TD, when were you appointed as adjudicator?

[naomi24]

Thanks emmie.

[TheDevil]

How lovely for you.

I doubt Naomi24 has any knowledge on the inside workings of Corbyns mind, so her statements about such are sheer speculation.

Talking with no validation is futile. Especially when you have the arrogance that has been seen displayed about such topics.

[TheDevil]

"TD, when were you appointed as adjudicator?"

When were you appointed the woman who says it like she thinks it is and it's taken as fact? Oh yeah that's never been the case.

Your opinions are your own but saying sweeping statements with no validity may please those easily influenced but it doesn't do it for me.

[Prudie]

I for one am sure that if there weren't an election looming Corbyn would be asking why the police shot him (which I'm sure he complained about after a similar incident in the past).

[naomi24]

TD, You're welcome to check out anything I say on the subject. It's all there for anyone who can be bothered - or has the courage - to look.

[emmie]

Prudie, i think you are right, there are some very misguided people out there

[TheDevil]

Corbyn has always been opposed to the "Shoot to kill" policy.

I'm not sure why people are surprised about that.

You can disarm and detain people without killing them.

Rubber bullets, tasers... It's rather a simple ideology.

[Prudie]

"You can disarm and detain people without killing them" - of course, then imprison them and let them out early - but that doesn't always work does it...

[emmie]

no you can't TD, he was wearing what they thought was an explosive device, the only choice was to take him out completely,

[naomi24]

I'll shed no tears for his demise. Good riddance.

[Spicerack]

Ummmm. 2018- 2,000 Islamist Terror Attacks= 12,000 killed.
Why are so many random madmen drawn to Islam?
If, as you and others claim, these random attackers are just 'hanging their hat on Islam's peg', you'd expect to see a ratio of attacks spread around all religions.

[TheDevil]

Emmie - "the only choice was to take him out completely"

That was not their only choice at all.

You have a polish man trying to stab him with a narwhal tusk whilst you have a convicted murdered tackling him whilst on day release yet you're saying a police officer couldn't have tasered the man or fired rubber bullets or tear gassed or did all three?

[naomi24]

He's dead. Best place for him. He won't kill again.

[emmie]

what purpose would it have served, he would have likely gone back to prison, sorry i will shed no tears for this grotesque excuse for a human being.

[andy-hughes]

Incidents like this polarise opinion like few others, and do add grist to Naomi's mill and her views on Islam.

My difficulty is this - if you are unable to separate a minority of fanatics from a faith as a whole, then you are in danger of overly simplistic generalisation, which is unhelpful in viewing the world in which we live.

Human nature dictates that a minority of people will always offer extreme views on their world, and back that up with psychopathic behaviour.

I have states several times previously that the easy misinterpretation of a religious sect's chosen text in order to perpetrate atrocities is an easy way to avoid the alternative.

As human beings, we gravitate towards the best view of ourselves as people, and to be honest, "I am fighting a just and holy war for God against unbelievers …." sits far better in the mind that the reality - "I am a psychopath and I like killing and maiming innocent strangers because it makes me feel better …" which is the unpalatable truth.

The worry is, if you bracket all Muslims under the blanket of 'Islam' and use that term like the word 'Cancer' - to stimulate a Pavlovian response of fear and suspicion, then you run the serious risk of placing an inaccurate label on an entire group of people who are innocent of the thoughts and crimes of a few extremists who hang their abhorrent behaviour on the nonsense of following a faith which does not express such views.

Here's a thought - if you bracket an entire race of people together, decide they are evil and that they should not share the planet with you, you are thinking like a terrorist, and who would honestly want to do that?