I Saw This Earlier And Wondered

[emmie]

where some people's brains are. I'm Glad that Amazon have pulled this disgusting material.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50625558

[retrocop]

TD
Well done. We can all C&P from wikepedia. Do you understand the words though and where they are or not appropriate?

[retrocop]

or may be we can't all C&P from Wikipedia :-)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourist_attraction

[ludwig]

// I don’t know why anyone would want to visit a concentration camp, but 2 million visitors means it a big tourist attraction. //

I can see why some people might, perhaps because they have a family connection with some of the victims, and I can see why it's kept in place as a memorial.

However, I was in Krakow recently from where you can get coach trips to the place, and I felt no desire whatsoever to go there, nor would I ever.

[Khandro]

n. //I disagree, Khandro. It's a memorial.//

No, the cenotaph is a memorial, Auschwitz is a museum of artefacts.

[emmie]

i still think it's abhorrent to sell trinkets that depict such horrors.

[naomi24]

But Khandro, it isn't a museum of artefacts. There are a few of the former bunkhouses as they were, and a few rooms containing human hair, suitcases, shoes, photographs of prisoners, retained for posterity. The rest - by far the vast majority - is just the camps as they were complete with uneven roads and no facilities for visitors except just one toilet for emergency use. And Birkenau, a few miles from Auschwitz is just a vast and incredibly bleak area with huts, the railway lines, and the gas chambers destroyed by the Germans remaining. I would never call it a museum. Have you been?

[emmie]

I would go but as stated for health reasons it just isn't possible. I think many should go to remind themselves just how grotesque these mass killings were.
Its not a tourist spot is it.......

[naomi24]

If your mobility isn't good, emmie, I wouldn't recommend it at all. It's a lot of walking on some very uneven roads and up and down stairs - hard work even for the fit I think.

[emmie]

no that wouldn't be possible. I have seen films, documentaries etc on the Holocaust and remain of the opinion that the Nazis were barbarians who had no moral compass or humanity.

[naomi24]

Worse than that emmie. I don't think any words can describe what they did.

[Bobbisox1]

no it’s not a tourist spot, I went with friends and everyone one of us ( 16) were very upset at what we felt and saw, the touristy bit was left for Krakow afterwards ie the sal mines etc, the one thing that hit us was the unruly behaviour of some young Jewish students ,it’s in their school curriculum to go,same as Norway, they behaved appallingly showing no respect and wanting selfies at the ‘killing wall’ which is a double thick wall where they shot the prisoners and the bullets would ricochet off so people working in the nearby fields etc couldn’t hear what was happening, there’s an eternal flame at the base and people have lain flowers but these students weren't at all fazed by this

[emmie]

makes you wonder Bobbie at who was taking the students and whether they had family who were murdered by the Nazis.

[Bobbisox1]

I’d imagine they would of Emmie as these were Israeli Jewish students

[emmie]

seems strange then that they behaved so badly..

[Bobbisox1]

We wouldn’t have known where they were from but we were chatting to their guide who was Polish and educated in the States, he said his mini bus would need valeted as they’d opened tins of tuna in oil and they were throwing the oil at each other ,it was all over the windows and the seats, disgraceful behaviour

[emmie]

Indeed..

[naomi24]

Just out of interest Yad Vashem - The World Holocaust Remembrance Centre in Israel - doesn't call itself a 'museum' - and that retains far more personal items and information about the holocaust than anywhere else. For me, personally, calling these places museums is simply disrespectful. They are memorials.

[emmie]

in the same way that the Cenotaph is a memorial,
most tourists wouldn't know what it's there for i expect.