Covid 19 Graphs

[Dagman]

Hi Abers, anyone know of a reliable site showing graphs comparing deaths in each country per number of population, say per 10,000 of each country. I only seem to find the headcount per country which doesn't compare really. Tia.

[KARL]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This site also gives you more information on the UK than I have been able to find on any UK site.

[Dagman]

Thanks KARL, exactly what I was looking for. Shocking how bad UK is doing per million, must be fifth worst in the world. Thanks again.

[Dagman]

Actually 7th worst per million. Still shocking.

[jno]

yes, we should be doing better.

A piece in the paper this morning covered several countries that were doing well: Taiwan, Germany, Iceland, New Zealand, Finland and others.

What do they have in common? Female leaders.

[fiction-factory]

Yes, but whilst there is an argument that we were slow to lock down and some (not me) say our NHS is not as good as the health services of some countries, we are a pretty densely populated place with an above average age profile and BAME population, and underlying issues such as diabetes &obesity put us more at risk.
To be continued

[jno]

then our planning needs to be even better to cope with the frail population, ff.

In fact, from something I was reading the other day, Britain was fairly well prepared - but the government was very slow to turn the switch on. Other countries reacted significantly more quickly and it seems to have made a difference.

[teacake44]

Hence the high number of deaths in the US, the biggest burger bar in the world. :0)

[fiction-factory]

Ours, like many others in this table don't include deaths outside hospital whereas some do so our position may be even worse - we'd have to check the basis of the worse 6 or 7.
But it may be we record them as covid more rigorously.
I think we should compare ourselves with maybe the 30 major countries. Most of those below us have unreliable data (do we believe figures for China, Russia, Pakistan, Egypt, Ethiopia, Sudan) or are in countries such as New Zealand and Australia that are harder to access and are at an earlier stage.

Our figures don't look too bad compared to Belgium, France, Spain Italy, but are worse than say USA (lower population density) and Germany who have coped really well.

[fiction-factory]

I do not believe many of the countries on the chart have any idea how many Covid deaths they have- eg Ethiopia (3 deaths for over 100 million people?), Sudan. 40 countries have recorded no deaths but surely can't be immune.

[fiction-factory]

Sorry, typing in instalments.

But whichever way you look at it we will conclude afterwards we should have done much better.

[TheWholeTruth]

^

yep..hindsight is a wonderful thing !...

[fiction-factory]

Europe as a whole has done badly according to the figures. The 7 worst countries in terms of deaths per million are all in Europe. Maybe Europe was unlucky- Italy seemed to get a lot from China and it then spread.

[fiction-factory]

>yep..hindsight is a wonderful thing !...
I agree that lots of people have great hindsight skills and/or are saying "I was right all along...".
But if we do come out really badly we have to ask how others did better, hindsight isn't relevant then.
But at present Europe as a whole has done badly. We are not exceptional compared to Europe.

[Dagman]

Looking at the chart, USA have 158 losses per million, UK at 299, almost twice as bad. That is the comparisons I understand better, shows countries' countermeasure performances. Belgium having a real bad time at 597, San Moreno a staggering 1179. Yes I know the population is small but the result shows chances of contracting itthere are huge compared to some. Very sad.

[jno]

yes, despite having an extremely odd president, the USA is (so far) doing better than Britain is. But I don't know how much power the president, as opposed to state officials, actually has, and what the breakdown into 50 different states might show.

[jno]

I imagine San Marino's problem was being surrounded by Italy: italians could enter at any time, and theirs was one of the first countries to be badly affected. But it's also fairly compact, like a town in some ways, so that once a disease is introduced it can spread quite quickly. That's just a guess, though.

[Neveracrossword]

New York State, with a population of 20 million has had 21,291 deaths. The UK, with a population of 66 million, has had 20,319 deaths. Population density must be a major contributory factor.

[fiction-factory]

Yes, New York is really badly affected. Some other large US cities probably are. But overall the US population density is very low compared to us- it's about one eighth of ours.
Belgium has a high pop density which must be a major reason behind it's high Covid death rate/million

[Peter Pedant]

Times does this every few days

and details cases, cases per million, and death ratio

which is pretty terrible - 7-10% - the highest is Belgium and Italy which is an incredible more than 10%

and if you think abart id - the death RATIO should be roughly the same wherever - and it aint -
NZ v low ( ratio) Germany low - Britain highish - and it goes up

and since we have roughly the same health systems no one has any idea why

One thing that was completely unexpected was that if you ventilate them - you can wait for them to get better (hence lots of ventilators needed)

in fact it didnt seem to matter at least 50% went on to die - so ventilators NOT the great life saver they thought it would be

[Peter Pedant]

// Population density must be a major contributory factor.//

er wher did that pop from ? anyway I know of no model that factors in pop density

if they are more spaced out ( which they arent in New York) then the figure called Ro would be smaller - fewer patients infected by each case - - BUT
that is easy to factor into the standard models....

New York - they have a ventilator mortality of 90%
which is both unexpected and stunning