Uk Heads The Table For The Most Deaths In Europe?

[Bobbisox1]

Why?
We’ve now passed Italy , will we very get out of this?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52549860

[jim360]

I admire your optimism that you can measure exactly one thing from such a wide-reaching set of data, but in fact the all-cause excess mortality won't be nearly so clear-cut as all that.

[zebo]

If there are penalties then we won't win the Corona Cup.
More seriously, no two countries are recording deaths in the same way, I honestly believe that the true extent will never be known, here nor in the rest of the world.

[jim360]

No, it won't be, but sadly that was always going to be the case.

[barry1010]

Is it still the case that care homes are not common on the continent as many families look after their elderly? Could that be relevant?

[ToraToraTora]

jim: //I can't speak for Gromit, but it really is sickening that legitimate criticism can be so easily dismissed as "anti-British"// - it's not legit though is it? it's cherry picking facts and figures to suit the agenda. Sort this table into deaths per million:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
...and we can see that we are not the worst, but that doesn't stop the anti British contingent posting na na nana na told you so posts does it? I have no problem with legit critique but I do challenge those who hunt around for sticks to beat us with.

[jim360]

Thanks for sending me a link to a source that I've been monitoring since early February, but it still misses the point. Further, you're asking the wrong question. It may be said that all that proves is that other countries managed even worse. Also, and I again remind you, the story around the start of the lockdown was that we were three/four weeks behind Italy. Assuming that was true, which seems likely -- the death toll only started to climb in late March, by which point Italy had already recorded 10,000 deaths -- then the UK had somewhat more time to prepare. Did we make the best use of that extra time? Should we have prepared better? And, what is more, why is your definition of success so heavily tied to other countries' performance?

[Neveracrossword]

TTT, all sorts of things can be made, taken from the statistics. If you were American, you could say 'it's OK, we have only 218 deaths per million of population'. If you were from New York (with its huge population, larger than some European countries, , you could say 'this is horrific, we have 1283 deaths per million.' There are dubious areas in many aspects of the figures - what's included, what's missed out, why some heavily-populated areas have fared better than others...

[ToraToraTora]

just saying, that in deaths per million we have not got the most in Europe.

[jim360]

Yes, that's true -- and it's also probable that the death tolls in Spain and Italy are undercounted. But we are not yet at the end of the crisis, and catching up at least in absolute terms with a country that had a major headstart is not encouraging.

[ToraToraTora]

"why is your definition of success so heavily tied to other countries' performance? " - I have defined no success criteria. I simply fight the anti British on this site who twist everything to suit their agenda. In this cas I simply address the OP and Gromit's na na nana na post, earlier.

[teacake44]

Well either way, the government have from the very beginning been covering their backs, don't forget they've only been following scientific advice, so its not their fault.?????

[TheWholeTruth]

^
Zzzzzzzz.....

[Gromit]

7th April.

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/07/uk-set-66000-coronavirus-deaths-becoming-worst-hit-europe-12521377

[Gromit]

Spain has had more than 50,000 more cases than the UK, but 4,000 less deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

There is probably a lesson to be learned somewhere.

[Mozz71]

I've said it before, and I'll keep on saying it, the time to examine the numbers isn't now, its when the crisis is over. There's nothing "anti-English" (3T's goto phrase for anyone he disagrees with) about demanding action, by there's a time and a place, and while we're still under lockdown is not that time.

I wasn't going to post here, but all the other interesting threads seem to have been locked by "the man" now.

[tomus42]

//Spain has had more than 50,000 more cases than the UK, but 4,000 less deaths.

There is probably a lesson to be learned somewhere. //

Yes there is. Don't compare apples and oranges when you're looking at statistics.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/it-s-a-mistake-to-compare-our-covid-deaths-with-spain-and-france

//... journalists’ failure to read the instructions means the statistical comparisons they make are erroneous. The UK’s daily statistics now include ‘deaths in hospitals, care homes and the wider community’, but neither Spanish nor French statistics include deaths in ‘the wider community’ – deaths that largely take place in the home.
As there is no international standardised method for attributing and recording deaths, we are not comparing like with like when we look at coronavirus deaths, and consequently effective comparisons with other European countries remain impossible. //

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "Spain has had more than 50,000 more cases than the UK, but 4,000 less deaths. " - and their deaths per capita are 20% higher, still best pick the most anti British figure eh?

[ToraToraTora]

tomus; " journalists’ failure to read the instructions means the statistical comparisons they make are erroneous." - yeah Journos and Gromit! (is gromit a journo? that would explain a lot)

[iluvmargie]

Well if this is true, why on earth are there talks of easing lockdown?

[Zacs-Master]

ILM, Because they’ve realised just how much our economy will be decimated if we don’t, especially if other countries get their economies rebooted before us.