Uk Heads The Table For The Most Deaths In Europe?

[Bobbisox1]

Why?
We’ve now passed Italy , will we very get out of this?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52549860

[Theland]

We win the Covid Cup then?

[Bobbisox1]

A cup we’d rather lose massively TL

[Apc2604]

And Spain has still not declared all deaths in care homes or in the home and its population is about 30% less than ours. You can only compare by deaths per million of population. I would admit its a huge number of deaths though.

[Bobbisox1]

/// will we ever get out of this ///

[douglas9401]

Yes, we will.

[jakep]

And how?
It is difficult, at the moment, to see a way out.
The map for our area the other day showed very few deaths...each one a tragedy. Where are they all coming from.
Also, does this mean that people were catching it after three weeks of lockdown?

[ToraToraTora]

I take a lot of the figures with a pinch of salt and of course everyone is counting different things.

[Theland]

Yes Soxy, its just my gallows humour.
But yes, there is now a league table :-(

[Bobbisox1]

Gateshead ( my home town is third top in the UK , I find this very scary yet Newcastle across the river is way down the table, all very confusing

[Apc2604]

Agree TTT. Just look at the amount of deaths in the US . Looks dreadful until you see the size of its population.

[tiggerblue10]

Found this report earlier which identifies counting methods, demographics and other factors in Italy. I found it quite interesting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52530918

[MWG14]

Compare our population in the UK against that in some other European countries.

[Bobbisox1]

MWG14, I agree but it’s very alarmist seeing it

[jim360]

Still dreadful even *with* the size of its population, when you consider that there is more to come.

But, yes. It is important to recognise that Spain and Italy may have undercounted deaths, so we may be ahead only due to counting techniques. What is undeniable, though, is that the death toll in the UK is very high, and it is legitimate to wonder if there were other steps to have taken to avoid such a toll.

[Apc2604]

If you look at deaths per million Brussell is 50% higher than the UK. It's daft to compare by the number of deaths without taking population size and other factors into consideration.

[Apc2604]

I meant Belgium!

[ToraToraTora]

sort this on deaths per million and we are no longer top of the pops..
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[jim360]

That's true, but I suspect that we need to be careful all the same that we arne't just gradually moving goalposts so that the UK always somehow ends up doing better. For a while it was absolute cases, then absolute deaths, moved on now to death rate.

Strictly speaking any comparison at this stage is fraught with difficulty. In times to come we'll be able to see better how things actually played out -- another fine illustration, perhaps, that the worst time to understand a crisis is when it's actually happening. Still, if at the time of the lockdown we were said to be "three weeks behind" Italy, then it feels difficult to argue that we made the best of that time.

[Apc2604]

That's the site I use daily TTT.

[Gromit]

This was predicted a month ago.
I posted on it and was lambasted as anti-British.