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Lockdown?
There is a lot of speculation about if and when lockdown will be eased. Having read this, I for one would be happy to wait a while longer.
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Keep the vulnerable locked down for as long as you think needed and they put up with it, but not everyone is vulnerable Or in contact with the vulnerable.
But again I say.... the lockdown was not to kill the virus just spread the load.
People WILL get it and some WILL continue to die from it both in lockdown and after regardless of how long it takes to end lockdown.
People will be catching this for a year or more and people will likely die from it for a year or more and if it is anything like the flu will be back again and again.
We cannot stay in hiatus for ever for no good reason.
Keep the vulnerable locked down for as long as you think needed and they put up with it, but not everyone is vulnerable Or in contact with the vulnerable.
But again I say.... the lockdown was not to kill the virus just spread the load.
People WILL get it and some WILL continue to die from it both in lockdown and after regardless of how long it takes to end lockdown.
People will be catching this for a year or more and people will likely die from it for a year or more and if it is anything like the flu will be back again and again.
We cannot stay in hiatus for ever for no good reason.
//Nj, The alternative is to keep people safe until a vaccine is found.//
The chances of that happening at all are remote. The chances of it happening before the country goes skint are nil.
//"So you'd like to see people die NJ?"//
Of course. I’d love to see them keeling over by the million. Please don’t be ridiculous, woofy. I’m trying to stimulate a debate because at the moment there is none. “We must all stay indoors” is about all that I hear and quite frankly that will cause far more damage than it cures.
//The mothballing was because of lack of nurses (Brexit sent them all home).//
So did they all go home in the last seven weeks? If not (as I suspect is the case), why did they build the hospitals knowing there were no nurses to staff them?
The government cannot protect everybody from everything. The lockdown has seen >30,000 deaths and has not, in my opinion been a success compared to the damage it has caused. Nor have similar, or even harsher measures in Spain and Italy. It’s said to have flattened the curve but nobody knows whether it has. They only know the curve has flattened. We’re told by the PM that we are past the peak but the numbers of new cases and deaths seem to cast doubt on that. Less than 1% of the deaths have been among people under 40. It is absolutely ludicrous that many of those people should continue to be paid by the government to stay at home. The science behind the hasty decision to impose the lockdown needs to be properly scrutinised; a much greater emphasis on the economy is need when determining the next steps and a radical change of direction is needed if permanent damage is not to follow.
The chances of that happening at all are remote. The chances of it happening before the country goes skint are nil.
//"So you'd like to see people die NJ?"//
Of course. I’d love to see them keeling over by the million. Please don’t be ridiculous, woofy. I’m trying to stimulate a debate because at the moment there is none. “We must all stay indoors” is about all that I hear and quite frankly that will cause far more damage than it cures.
//The mothballing was because of lack of nurses (Brexit sent them all home).//
So did they all go home in the last seven weeks? If not (as I suspect is the case), why did they build the hospitals knowing there were no nurses to staff them?
The government cannot protect everybody from everything. The lockdown has seen >30,000 deaths and has not, in my opinion been a success compared to the damage it has caused. Nor have similar, or even harsher measures in Spain and Italy. It’s said to have flattened the curve but nobody knows whether it has. They only know the curve has flattened. We’re told by the PM that we are past the peak but the numbers of new cases and deaths seem to cast doubt on that. Less than 1% of the deaths have been among people under 40. It is absolutely ludicrous that many of those people should continue to be paid by the government to stay at home. The science behind the hasty decision to impose the lockdown needs to be properly scrutinised; a much greater emphasis on the economy is need when determining the next steps and a radical change of direction is needed if permanent damage is not to follow.
// The chances of that happening at all are remote.//
er what? of finding a vaccine ?
more accurately - making a vaccine that works
what on the grounds that they havent found one yet and the status quo is very likely to persist ?
or that it mutates quick and is like flu so you cant find a vaccine?
er Hullooo there is a flu vaccine
has anyone noticed that IF there wasnt any immunity after an attack of covid
then 1)no one would recover - because you have to have immunity to recover from a virus disease
and 2)they wouldnt be doing plasma experiments - because there is no immunity, there is nothing to transfer.
besides me - they havent have they?
er what? of finding a vaccine ?
more accurately - making a vaccine that works
what on the grounds that they havent found one yet and the status quo is very likely to persist ?
or that it mutates quick and is like flu so you cant find a vaccine?
er Hullooo there is a flu vaccine
has anyone noticed that IF there wasnt any immunity after an attack of covid
then 1)no one would recover - because you have to have immunity to recover from a virus disease
and 2)they wouldnt be doing plasma experiments - because there is no immunity, there is nothing to transfer.
besides me - they havent have they?
Would it be true to say that if there was no immunity after an attack ie, that you could have it more than once, that it would be impossible to create a vaccine for it. Vaccines work by fooling the body into producing antibodies; if there is no immunity after an attack that must mean that the body cannot produce antibodies which last more than just a short time.
Yes, vaccination is meant to induce immunity and therefore can't work if an immune response isn't naturally present. But sometimes a vaccine can still be partially effective, eg if the virus is similar enough to an older strain -- and there are always some limitations even when a vaccine is known to be largely effective.
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