324 Covid Deaths Yesterday, And 2,095 Cases Are They Easing Lockdown Too Early ?

[Gromit]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[pixie374]

We were very late with lockdown... when I originally suggested it, everyone was horrified... right now though, we want a vaccine asap, to protect those most vulnerable- if they choose that- and to allow everyone else to get back to work and normality. Imo.

[KARL]

ff, 09.38 - as I have said, I am not really worried about people becoming ill and recovering but it bothers me if/when people die, especially needlessly, and I really only look with any serious interest at the figures for deaths. It is clear whatever way you look at it that far more people have died in the UK, from Covid 19, at any age and in any setting, than in almost every country on the planet. That they have died when elsewhere they would not have is only explicable with one conclusion: The system failed to save them.

I do not recall you previously pulling out the anti-British accusation so it surprises me on this occasion. If it is anti-British to point to the emperor being naked, to hold up the fact that the UK has a terrible home-made mess and a tragedy on its hands, then I am not at all ashamed at being called anti-British, which however I certainly am not. Were I anti-British I would now be cheering and a-whoopin-and-a-hollerin with glee. Instead I find myself between two emotional responses, one of which is seething anger, not least over some suggesting the UK is sort of OK on this one if not Gold Standard, World Class, World Beating, etc. The other is a pull toward weeping. Through all of this I hang onto a disappearing hope that the UK will see itself realistically and for once do something to improve things. Every time new evidence comes to light that hope fades further.

[KARL]

ff, One obvious suggestion as a solution is to learn from others. Would that perhaps be anti-British ?

[naomi24]

//And naomi... I know I have said this previously, but my stepsister's husband "will" die this year, as his cancer treatment has been stopped due to covid.//

No one seems interested in him and the other estimated 19,999 people like him.

[Deskdiary]

All of these numbers, statistics, who got it right and who got it wrong are all very marvellous (if not a little boring), but for me the pertinent numbers are;

88% of those who have sadly died are above 45. The majority of that 88% are 75 or over.

1% of those who have sadly died are under 45. This is a tiny percentage.

The only conclusion therefore is for the more elderly to continue to abide by the lockdown IF they want to, and allow everybody else to go about their business.

This virus is a killer of the old and the vulnerable, and in the great scheme of things is absolutely not more important than protecting the economy.

[fiction-factory]

Okay Karl- of course we can learn from others countries but first can you explain how you arrived at the figure of 180 when you said?
" This suggests that some 4500 people under the age of 65 have been recorded as Covid 19 deaths. Had these people lived not in the UK but where the fight against premature death from the disease has been much more successful then the toll might be as little as 180 individuals. "
And what can we learn- what different actions would have helped slash the figure by the 96% figure? Can you suggest some?

[youngmafbog]

"I will take no lecturing"

Pretty typical of you, you are right and everyone is wrong. Typical Metropolitan elitist attudude.

Well mate, you are wrong on many things and you did manipulate using NZ as an example. Now you are just twisting it because you got caught.

[Peter Pedant]

// //And naomi... I know I have said this previously, but my stepsister's husband "will" die this year, as his cancer treatment has been stopped due to covid.//

I am glad "will" is in inverted commas - as we dont 'know'. delayed treatment seems not have much effect presumably as the delay in seeking treatment has much greater contribution
( except Hodgkins lymphoma - where even if the pt is infected, you still give the chemo)

yeah yeah = please spare me the 'it stands to reason' etc etc

[pixie374]

PP, you aren't daft, and I don't know why you keep claiming there is never any urgency with cancer treatment. If that was the case, nobody would bother and we would all just ask for cancer treatment when we were 95. I can't honestly work out what you are thinking here.

[naomi24]

pp, //I am glad "will" is in inverted commas - as we dont 'know'. delayed treatment seems not have much effect presumably as the delay in seeking treatment has much greater contribution//

Pixie can ‘know’ that her relative will die this year - she is aware of the situation - you aren’t - and much of the problem emanates from GPs’ reluctance to add to the burden the hospitals are currently under by sending people for scans and tests.

[Deskdiary]

Cassa jade a great point earlier.

She works in a supermarket with 100 colleagues, all of whom will have been close to many thousands of people during this lockdown, and yet not a single one has been infected.

Aaaand cue the ‘yes, but’!

[fiction-factory]

I assume PP means that only non-urgent treatments have been delayed significantly. I'm sure at least one ABer has still been receiving treatment

[naomi24]

//delayed [cancer] treatment seems not have much effect //

pixie, I beg to differ. ^That from PP isn't just daft - it's stupid.

[pixie374]

I used quotation Mark's as emphasis, as I thought capitals were seen as shouting... he has gone from 2/3 years left to 2 months.

[pixie374]

It baffles me, yes. Although, I meant he isn't daft in general.

[fiction-factory]

>She works in a supermarket with 100 colleagues, all of whom will have been close to many thousands of people during this lockdown, and yet not a single one has been infected.
Yes, but- maybe some were asymptomatic carriers and maybe have unknowingly passed it on.

[naomi24]

FF, GPs have been reluctant to send people for tests so wouldn't know whether they needed urgent treatment or not.

[pixie374]

It depends what "urgent" means with cancer? Dying a lot earlier with it, is clearly not urgent. So, what is?

[fiction-factory]

>FF, GPs have been reluctant to send people for tests so wouldn't know whether they needed urgent treatment or not.

Thanks Naomi. I wasn't aware of that. Do you have a link please? Chris Whitty has been encouraging people to still go for treatment/investigation; maybe GPs didn't get the message or didn't agree

[pixie374]

FF, I would still like to know what "urgent" is, if not people due to die in a few weeks, who don't need to?