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Boris Announces 2M Rule Down To 1M

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MargoTester | 11:47 Tue 23rd Jun 2020 | News
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danny, distancing isn't being observed anywhere/ I've been back at work and it's non existant. The reduction to 1m is basically saying 'carry on as normal'.
"One Metre Plus" is intended to be in place of 2m, where 2m isn't possible. it means that people can be one metre away from people they don't live with, provided they make additional efforts to protect themselves.

"additional efforts" could mean avoiding face-to-face seating, reducing the number of people inside establishments, improving ventilation, installing protective screens and additional hand sanitiser. Allegedly the "plus" in this new guidance would be the same, in terms of public safety, as the existing two-metre guidance.
ymb. What a load of cobblers.The young are not immune.
toward the end of his statement, the PM said "We will continue to trust in the common sense of the British people."

oh dear oh dear. the late John Laurie had an appropriate phrase for this.
It is rubbish really in the sense that a lot of people are ignoring it.
But the thing is I am sure the government is well aware of that. It’s a case of persisting with it in the hope they enough people will still do it.
This is really a slow climb down in a way that as much as anything manages people’s fears.
A slightly different climbdown from that if the airport quarantine nonsense which will be binned with a series of “exceptions” before being laid to rest
I think it's a pretty fast climb down myself.
What I can't get my head round is that nail bars are still not allowed to open. I would have thought a simple plastic screen with an opening near the bottom edge to allow hands to pass through would suffice. Most practitioners wear masks normally anyway.
Parsley, A nail bar would entail touching hands which, at the moment, is a definite no-no.
Why is it a no,no? Transmission is primarily airborne. As long as hands are washed, I don't see a problem. When gel nails are done hands are placed under a UV lamp to dry the polish. The nail technician would still be able to wear gloves.
Parsley, better safe than sorry.I am sure that Boris and his scientific advisors have considered whether nail bars should be opened.
//the virus can also be transferred from one surface to another by contaminated hands, which facilitates indirect contact transmission.//
Never mind nail bars; just get the flaming barbers open.
Opening in July Jack.
//Not for anyone with an ounce of sense.//

Let’s look at “distancing” in a bit of detail (which, alas, few people do). The WHO original guidance on the subject was that people should avoid close proximity with people for a prolonged period. It defined close proximity as closer than 1m and a prolonged period as more than 15 minutes. The UK chose to gold plate that advice to 2m, the time element was all but forgotten and “advice” to be taken where possible was interpreted as a “rule” which could not be broken under any circumstances. So ridiculous was this interpretation that we have seen people swerving off the pavement and into the road to avoid (what they see as ) “close contact”, we see extraordinary behaviour in supermarkets and we see local authorities narrowing roads in order to widen pavements. None of this is “avoiding where possible”. It has become an hysterical, paranoid reaction to a threat which is miniscule. Just how miniscule? First of all the chances of passing an infected person in the street at all is incredibly small. At any one time it is estimated that around 30,000 people in the whole of the UK are infected with the virus to an extent that they may pass it on. So that means you have a one in 2,000 chance of passing one of them in the street. Then they have to sneeze, cough, speak or expel an unusually large amount of breath in your direction. Can’t put a figure on that, but quite long odds judging by the people I pass in the street. Then you would have to inhale their exhalations. The UK government’s own advice states that you are unlikely to be infected if you walk past another person in the street. I would go further than that. I would say it is highly unlikely to be infected if you walk past another person in the street. So I think the people with an ounce of sense are not those who swerve off the pavement or rant at somebody who passes by them in the supermarket aisle. Rather it is those who have weighed up the risk (which is the product of likelihood and impact) and made their own minds up.

//ymb. What a load of cobblers.The young are not immune.//

No they are not immune. But the chances of them being seriously ill as a result of the virus are exceedingly small. Yes I understand that they can pass it on to somebody who might be more seriously affected but we need to regain sight of what the lockdown was for. It was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed (which was successful). It was not designed to prevent the virus spreading to anybody anywhere (which is impossible). Asking those not vulnerable to put their lives on hold to protect those who are is not sustainable. Life is not risk free and as soon as everybody realises that (and the government tells them so in no uncertain words) the sooner we can restore some sanity to a nation that is behaving in increasingly bizarre manners.
100% sense from NJ on this topic as usual. I've never known the nation be so brainwashed.
All viruses are spread by dirty hands, and dirty equipment of any kind, it just so happens that this virus takes a lot more washing away. Unless your standing in front of someone that is coughing and sneezing all over you, like working in an office all day with them, then distancing everyone is tosh. Raw meat has always been a great host for any virus, that's why you now see it developing more in meat processing plants. (Robust) cleaning throughout the working day is the only answer to stand any chance of reducing such risk.
Teacake I don't think it takes longer to 'wash this virus away' than any other virus. I would imagine the 20 second rule applies to all viruses and possibly bacteria? Either way transmission through physical contact (touch) is low, it is an airborne disease primarily.
NJ, you may have "forgotten" the time element but it has been continually mentioned in the social distancing discussions.
Well ,all that remains now is for the virus to maintain an appropriate distance - whatever that is. I don't think anyone knows .

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