Curfew Carnage?

[mushroom25]

well, who'd a thought it? everything shuts at 10pm so everyone gets turned out on to the streets, into ubers and on to buses trains and tubes. no possibility of social distancing!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8777387/Police-battle-disperse-crowds-partying-street-10pm-closing-time-new-Covid-rules.html

so instead of getting touchy feely in a late night bar, everyone now gets touchy feely on their way home, net result - the virus spreads as if there had been no curfew. did our politicos not think of this at all?

[teacake44]

Why would they be weirdos because they drink in the afternoon, I would think may be lots of retired folk use the pub in the afternoon.

[bednobs]

^^^^ there you go then

[Theland]

And for breakfast :-)

[New Judge]

The basic problem with all of this is that the government refuses to accept that people will socialise, they will mix and they will fail to comply with distancing guidance. It doesn't matter what they do, what rules they introduce, what time they close the pubs and restaurants (unless they close them entirely in which case the hospitality industry will be permanently finished). If they would simply accept this and plan accordingly they would manage the situation far better.

They have absolutely no idea how most people live their lives. I had to go out to eat an hour earlier yesterday. It was no big deal but it was a nuisance. It's also not too bad now the nights are drawing in and the weather is cooler. But I would not want to go out at 6:30pm in the middle of summer.

I'm really not sure of the logic behind the 10pm closure idea. Most people I know will simply go out earlier, drink much the same and behave in much the same way. Quite how it will change anybody's behaviour significantly enough to "keep us all safe" is a little difficult to fathom.

[teacake44]

Well as you only go weekends Giz the weirdos that drink in the afternoon weekends and weekdays are keeping the pub in business while you're at work, making it available for you to go when you please. Conclude, the weirdos are keeping the pub going may be?

[TrevorThePug]

New Judge “I'm really not sure of the logic behind the 10pm closure idea.”

I think that is the problem, nobody can see the logic as there is no logic. Therefore a tendency to just carry on as per, they’ll get the blame anyway.

[Gizmonster]

Teacake you may (or may not) have realised, that most (if not all??) my comments on here have been said pretty much light heartedly with tongue in cheek :)

[bobbinwales]

Am sure some will spend longer in the pub now just to make a 'clever' point that none pushes them around but the Corona will just spread faster if they do and we'l end up with pubs shut alltogether.
Naomi is bang on .Jon is right to as always on this. Its no big deal and if it help's stop the spread of Corona the sooner will all be back to something nearer the pre Corona days

[bobbinwales]

Jno not jon

[teacake44]

I would have thought that even you NJ would accept that the longer pubs and clubs are open, the more people will stop out later and drink even more. The problem you have today is some folk just don't know when they've had enough, and will go on to a club and have another skin full. I would think now with the pubs closed at 10pm the police have got control of the streets by 12.00, instead of maybe 4.00am and less in the cells to contend with, and the latter may be part of the reason for the whole idea.

[New Judge]

It isn't about the police having control of the street, TC. It's (supposed to be) about preventing the spread of the virus. People who are chucked onto the streets at 10pm on Saturday night will not go home to bed. It's also unlikely that they will hang about on the streets for the police to have any control over them (especially now it's getting colder). They will almost certainly make arrangements to head off elsewhere, probably to one of their houses. The "mingling" of people - which would be at least partly under control in a pub - will now be totally outside of anybody's control.

The problem is that the government believes that everybody will behave like good little children - and they won't. As I keep saying, people will socialise, they will mix and mingle and introducing a succession of arguably pointless rules will not alter that. Saying "the sooner everybody keeps away from everybody else the sooner we can return to normal" has been the problem right from the start. It is impossible to achieve that and the more it is tried, the more it will be ignored. Not even a complete lockdown will work. People still have to interact. Until that is accepted we will never return to normal.

[derek-33]

//// I think the problem is Giz now has to mix with all those weirdos that drink in the afternoon ////
and without them the struggling bars and pubs would close for good putting thousand out of work ! think about it

[bednobs]

i know this is in news but has everyone lost their soh today>?

[TrevorThePug]

teacake44 “The problem you have today is some folk just don't know when they've had enough”

An age old claim that the problem is ‘today’, have you not heard of Plague Water and the boozy nights of the city parlours.

[Peter Pedant]

// There seems to be a good deal of hysteria //
hallelujah baby !
mushie - intellect and behavioural sociologist may not have stated that people's behaviour is different at 10 pm than it is at 8

kinda obvious really

and peoples behaviour is different at home, at uni and in the pub.
( varies by location). This is so obvious to me I dont even regard it as a pensee ( or pon-say as they pronounce it in Forrin) - so encourage the behaviour which is associated with less contagion (*)

and yet there is all this yar-dee-dar about it

(*) and before any one says - "yeah what dat den" - bear in mind the Australians pioneered Covid as a sexually transmitted disease. * the guards at the facilities screwed the bored internees basically

[Peter Pedant]

oh god hear NJ bleat the police the police
does he really believe that make the police strong enough then the contagion will be controlled?
no is the answer - even if he says 'yes'
that is why Damian and the journey to Castle Barnard was so destructive - it erodes confidence and trust in those who are meant to be guiding us

[youngmafbog]

Good God there are a couple of sanctimonious people out today on here.

All of this is expected, the only thing I am surprised at is the lack of fighting. I remember when all pubs used to turn out at the same time in Town, it was one brawl after another.

[Spicerack]

Nowadays I tend to go out early and wobble off home before you rowdies 'kick off'.

[Peter Pedant]

I am sanctimonious most of the time
I dont turn it on just for AB

[lankeela]

How can it be the government's fault if people go to other people's houses after chuck out - only saving grace is that they will all infect each other so might be a few less morons about to infect the rest of us.