So, Do You Still Think You'd Have The Vaccine?

[pastafreak]

When it hasn't even gone through the ...usually necessary...stages of testing? With a timeline that says 2022 is when it *should* be available.
A bit long but very readable...

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/10/10/a-sars-cov2-vaccine-dont-hold-your-breath/

[Scarlett]

I know that I should, and I will be targeted, but my instinct is to not have any vaccine. I had the flu jab in 2000 and have never been so ill. In fact it’s taken me 20 years to get rid of a weird pain in my sternum when I cough, which I had to continually following that flu. What I am doing is taking a lot of vitamins C, D, zinc, and have iodine and salt at the ready at the first sign of something. I also have prednisolone, steroid inhalers, and even antibiotics at the ready. I don’t intend to use those, but they are probably going to be more help if push comes to shove.

[Chinajan]

He's a well known conspiracy theorist

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Malcolm_Kendrick

[pastafreak]

Hmmm...maybe, if you believe that arguing against long held beliefs is being a conspiracy theorist...which seems common in these times.

You might also find that more doctors and researchers are thinking like him.

[woofgang]

He makes money by being a sceptic. He is also scaremongering regarding Australia and compulsory vaccination, which, to me negates his "I am just a simple doctor and big pharma scaremongers us" line. It may be just me but he seems to me to be making as much money out of scaremongering as he is saying big pharma does.....which is a pity because I do sort of agree with him about statins.

[woofgang]

Chinajan that link is interesting...I hadn't read it before I posted.

[New Judge]

Conspiracy theorist or not, the chances of a suitable vaccine that has been properly tested hitting the market any time soon are close to zero. There was an article in "The Sun", highlighted by a thread on here a few days ago, which intimated that a vaccine could be available by Christmas. Absolute tosh.

That is why this continuing strategy of locking down, unlocking, closing businesses, opening them again and all the other harmful measures aimed at preventing spread needs to be urgently re-assessed. It seems (though I'm only guessing because I think nobody really knows) that those measures are suffixed with "until there's a vaccine" as an aim. Well if the damage continues until then there won't be much point in vaccinating anybody because they will either have died of other conditions which are not being properly addressed or the country will have spiralled into economic meltdown (or both).

[teacake44]

[email protected] Chances of a suitable vaccine, is close to zero, and a load of tosh. How do you know that NJ?

[New Judge]

//How do you know that NJ?//

I don't know it. It was an educated guess. To help me guess I've read about the general process of developing, testing and certifying vaccines and none of my reading suggests that process can be accomplished in under nine months. In fact everything I've read suggests that to achieve that timescale is near enough impossible.

[jno]

as I've mentioned before, the fastest vaccine ever developed was for mumps and that took four years. Still, records were made to be broken.

[woofgang]

yes and that was more than 50 years ago.....accelarating knowledge can accelerate some aspects of development of almost anything

[ichkeria]

I’m not reading all the way through that I’m afraid.
I got to
“ For those who were claiming, a few months ago, that a vaccine would be ready by September this year i.e. a month ago”
and had a quiet murmur, because nobody said any such thing. A few “possiblys” and “hopefullys” but no more than that from the people who should know.

[Peter Pedant]

// I’m not reading all the way through that I’m afraid.//

I thought you meant the innumerate non-meds on AB
which I can sum up as - - - more of the same ( bit like Brexit)

Kendrick is MB BS which means by def he cant be that mad. - for a rabid anti vaxxer the GMC run them out of St James Bldgs ( where the evil deed of striking off is done ) as fast as their little legs can carry them.

he ( Dr K) rails professionally against cholesterol which was known in the 70s to be a poor predictor of heart disease compared to your parents, blood pressure and diabetes

and has started in being a covid expert but has kept his opinions within the realm of sanity.

Mumps four years - I note a flu vaccine every year so it can be telescoped

[teacake44]

NJ, I tend to disagree, the reason being is that never before can I recall that most of the developed world as ever worked together to find a vaccine, for the same illness, and all at the same time, sharing ( as far as I know) their knowledge and progress. So really to dismiss it of having zero chance of even developing one at all is a little bit over the top, unless of course you have the expertise within this field.
Eight months ago no one knew what they could use to even treat the condition with drugs to try and reduce the death rate. I believe they now have three, one that they already had, not sure about the other two, but never the less they trailed these drugs and it appears by what I've read that they are making a huge difference in saving lives. I would call that very good progress. So Christmas may not turn out to be tosh for a vaccine.

[New Judge]

//So really to dismiss it of having zero chance of even developing one at all is a little bit over the top,...//

I'm not saying that, tc. I'm saying that one cannot be developed and approved in short order. One of the reasons for testing is to see what the long term effects are. That cannot be done in the short term.

[sherrardk]

I’m concerned that I keep getting yougov surveys asking if I think vaccination should be compulsory (and my opinion on the punishment for non compliance).

[pastafreak]

//  months ago no one knew what they could use to even treat the condition with drugs to try and reduce the death rate. I believe they now have three, one that they already had, not sure about the other two, but never the less they trailed these drugs and it appears by what I've read that they are making a huge difference in saving lives. I would call that very good progress. So Christmas may not turn out to be tosh for a vaccine. //

Those are drugs that have already been in use for other conditions. They've gone through rigorous testing, and have been shown to be safe. Quite often, drugs are developed for specific conditions and are then found to work for totally different situations.
As for a vaccine by Christmas...
Here's an article from earlier this year...and is even bleaker than the one in my initial link...it's not just the vaccine(s), but the facilities to produce them, the necessary manpower, the production of the means of delivery...and on and on. Of course, maybe things have moved on since this was written.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

[Sqad]

PP

//////Kendrick is MB BS which means by def he cant be that mad. -////

Not if he qualified in Aberdeen he isn't, that University gives a MBCHB in medicine not a MB BS.

[woofgang]

that's odd sherrard, I do yougov and have never has that question

[eve1974]

Squad tho he is deffo a gp so therefore must have qualified. Even tho Aberdeen does do the MBCHB as the Medical degree it also does the mbbs (as far as I know?) as part of the under graduate in medicine ....

Whatever he has / hadn’t got from Aberdeen he is a practicing gp in U.K. therefore he is registered etc n can’t be a total charlatan

[eve1974]

Pasta //arguing against long held beliefs is being a conspiracy theorist...which seems common in these times//

Agree!!

- now days when someone dares to question long held scientific Beliefs they are automatically labelled a conspiracy theorist!

True there’s A lot of nutters out there but... not every conspiracy “theorist” is incorrect! Some may just be onto something.