Another Belter From T R O P.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54581827
.....words fail me.

[iluvmargie]

The problem IS Islam, how can naomi possibly have a solution? How can any of us? Daft question imo.

[ummmm]

Andy - Christians might not publicly practise their faith as other religions do but it doesn't mean they believe less.

My mother is devout and if she can't go to church she'll sit and pray. It could be sitting in the park, or in her own bedroom.

I know she prays everyday for me. For me to accept Jesus. It ain't gonna happen though...

[andy-hughes]

ummmm - // Andy - Christians might not publicly practise their faith as other religions do but it doesn't mean they believe less. //

I am not suggesting that they do.

My point is, there are far less a proportion of Christians who are liable to be motivated into any kind of physical action to 'defend their faith' than there are Muslims, who weave their faith into their daily lives in a way that Christians simply do not.

It's about the numbers.

You may have ten Christians, one of whom goes to church and all of whom are counted in the stats, and you may have one Muslim who is radicalised enough to do something.

Extrapolate the numbers, and the size of Christianity is irrelevant - it's the size of the fight in the dog as they say - or in this case, the willingness of the dog to actually fight in the first place.

[ummmm]

Aren't you proving Naomi's point then?

[Untitled]

iluvmargie

It seems to me that responding to this kind of event by blaming islam without any kind of follow-up or thought for what that actually means is inviting some potentially very nasty responses. It's the equivalent of looking knowingly at the camera and saying, "whatever shall we do?"

I just want to make sure naomi is not doing that.

[iluvmargie]

I can't answer for naomi obviously, but I do think you are talking nonsense, sorry, but I do.

[Untitled]

It isn't a complicated question. If you think islam is the problem, do you think nothing can be done or do you think something should be done? You should really say so because that gap can be filled by some very nasty actions if you don't.

[iluvmargie]

Another daft question, of course 'something should be done', but I don't know what the answer is any more than you do!! And I'm not going round in circles saying the same thing over and over again.

[douglas9401]

I feel we're about to mention the war.

[Untitled]

"Islam is the problem" and something must be done... but you don't know what.

You can see how that might come across, can't you?

[naomi24]

Untitled, I’m not sure what you’re asking me. What ‘should be done’ about what? Islam the religion, or the terrorists and potential terrorists influenced by its tenets? If it’s the former, I’ve already answered that. People will believe as they will. No one can legislate against thought. If it’s the latter, in my opinion the rest of the world must take a more severe stance in scrutiny, arrest, and punishment.

I can’t fathom where you get ‘sinister’ from - a very odd word to use and quite inappropriate - but for a newbie here on a first time conversation you sound quite agitated. Are you Muslim?

[Untitled]

I'm not a muslim, no. I'm not religious at all. But I do find the way you talk about muslims a little frightening because I think it implicitly justifies persecution.

[naomi24]

Untitled, In that case you're allowing your imagination to run riot.

[Untitled]

Am I?

You keep saying "islam is the problem", but you're extremely vague on what you think should be done about it. You don't want to police thought, but you simultaneously want "a more severe stance on scrutiny, arrest and punishment" and don't seem to make any distinction between peaceful muslims, terrorists and "potential terrorists" (which is surely everyone).

You're leaving a great big fill-in-the-blank box underneath your diagnosis of the "islam problem" for anyone who reads it and I'm starting to get the impression that you're too intelligent to be doing it accidentally.

[andy-hughes]

NAOMI - // ... but for a newbie here on a first time conversation you sound quite agitated. //

Nothing like making a new member feel welcome!

[naomi24]

Untitled, I’ll thank you to stop taking my words out of context and to refrain from misquoting me. I said I want a more severe stance on scrutiny, arrest and punishment for terrorists and potential terrorists influenced by the tenets of Islam - which very clearly does not equate to everyone. Far from it. If you’ve come here for conversation at least do me the courtesy of offering an honest one. You’re right about one thing though - I am intelligent - intelligent enough to spot a determined trouble-maker when I see one.

[Untitled]

Everyone is a "potential terrorist."

[andy-hughes]

// You’re right about one thing though - I am intelligent - intelligent enough to spot a determined trouble-maker when I see one. //

Welcome anyway Untitled - we're not all like this, promise!!

[naomi24]

I think you're grossly mistaken.

[Mozz71]

Naomi, do you think that increased punishment would have any effect on someone so radicalized that they would happily give their lives for the cause they believe in?

I don't have an answer, but I can't see that being it.