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I still don't get how people who live here can say we are a civilised society. We are not by a long chalk.
I was born in 1950 and I think the first murder I was aware of by a child was Mary Bell's case in 1968. The second murder by children in my lifetime was 43years after my birth in 1993.
Capital Punishment was suspended in 1965 and abolished in 1969.
Since the abolition of Capital punishment the murder rate has risen quite considerably. How can we call this country civilised when youths are on the streets all over the UK and probably one or two victims are murdered every day by those youths. They carry knives and the more injury or murder they carry out will elevate them on the league table held by their peers.
This is sheer premeditated murder to impress. Hanging a mental health label just does not fly on these perpetrators.
I.M.O. the popular liberal experiment has failed and too many people are left heart broken as in Gness's experience.
Why don't we go back and see if capital punishment will deter potential murderous gangsters because without a dterrent they will kill at will with no fear.People like Lord Lonford are just as culpable in their , no doubt,well meant views but they are part of the problem. With the advances of forensic science and DNA and the fear of legal retribution I believe the murder rate will decrease.
We have a nuclear response option as a deterrent. So far it has served us well and kept us free of a holocaust. Not so on the streets which is nothing less than uncivilised urban warefare and the innocents are always the ones who suffer for it.
I still don't get how people who live here can say we are a civilised society. We are not by a long chalk.
I was born in 1950 and I think the first murder I was aware of by a child was Mary Bell's case in 1968. The second murder by children in my lifetime was 43years after my birth in 1993.
Capital Punishment was suspended in 1965 and abolished in 1969.
Since the abolition of Capital punishment the murder rate has risen quite considerably. How can we call this country civilised when youths are on the streets all over the UK and probably one or two victims are murdered every day by those youths. They carry knives and the more injury or murder they carry out will elevate them on the league table held by their peers.
This is sheer premeditated murder to impress. Hanging a mental health label just does not fly on these perpetrators.
I.M.O. the popular liberal experiment has failed and too many people are left heart broken as in Gness's experience.
Why don't we go back and see if capital punishment will deter potential murderous gangsters because without a dterrent they will kill at will with no fear.People like Lord Lonford are just as culpable in their , no doubt,well meant views but they are part of the problem. With the advances of forensic science and DNA and the fear of legal retribution I believe the murder rate will decrease.
We have a nuclear response option as a deterrent. So far it has served us well and kept us free of a holocaust. Not so on the streets which is nothing less than uncivilised urban warefare and the innocents are always the ones who suffer for it.
Well, yes, retro. I certainly wouldn't claim that humans are "civilised" as a species. Although we should keep trying. I don't see "mental health" as a label... that is a little ignorant and lazy, as there is a difference (in my view) between people who can or can't control what they do.
While I am not 100% for Capital punishment, I don't see how anybody can say it isn't a deterrent. If you are dead, you can't commit a crime. If the idea is to dissuade other people, then I would say that is really uncivilised, to punish someone in order to change somebody else's behaviour.
Some criminals do consider penalties first, and some don't. But also, if somebody is only ever going to be a danger to society, while alive... is there a positive, to anybody (including them) in keeping them alive?
While I am not 100% for Capital punishment, I don't see how anybody can say it isn't a deterrent. If you are dead, you can't commit a crime. If the idea is to dissuade other people, then I would say that is really uncivilised, to punish someone in order to change somebody else's behaviour.
Some criminals do consider penalties first, and some don't. But also, if somebody is only ever going to be a danger to society, while alive... is there a positive, to anybody (including them) in keeping them alive?
"Why don't we go back and see if capital punishment will deter potential murderous gangsters because without a dterrent they will kill at will with no fear."
Because data from the US shows very little murder rate difference between states with CP and those without, if anything those without CP are very slightly lower and the ones with CP have higher poverty rates. It doesn't work as a deterrent, least of all for the one executed.
The only thing CP would really achieve would be to make many more lawyers much much richer.
Because data from the US shows very little murder rate difference between states with CP and those without, if anything those without CP are very slightly lower and the ones with CP have higher poverty rates. It doesn't work as a deterrent, least of all for the one executed.
The only thing CP would really achieve would be to make many more lawyers much much richer.
//The only thing CP would really achieve would be to make many more lawyers much much richer.//
Meanwhile our undertakers are trousering a fair screw without c.p.( from the victims grieving loved ones).
I really am not interested in comparisons to America.I grew up as a kid in the fifties emulating the mayhem and murder which was rife over the pond. We saw Al capone on the films. We played gangsters but we never had the amount of deaths in the UK. Too many guns and prohibition didn't help keep the murder rate down,corrupt cops and judges etc. saw to that. When we had C.P. people were in awe of 'the rope' and in the main avoided it's use.
As an aside Mr Trump is winning his race to bump off more death row inmates than any other President and has beaten Georg. W. Bush.
//We want people to behave better, not worse. //
What do you suggest? I hope you are not going to suggest educating them. If they don't understand right from wrong by 14 years I doubt there is much hope.
We see quite a few 'reformed' bad boys in London operating their projects, no doubt with funding, but no miraculous results have produced a dip in the slaughter graph as gfar as I am aware.
What do you suggest? I hope you are not going to suggest educating them. If they don't understand right from wrong by 14 years I doubt there is much hope.
We see quite a few 'reformed' bad boys in London operating their projects, no doubt with funding, but no miraculous results have produced a dip in the slaughter graph as gfar as I am aware.
danny // // He was interviewed by police nine times, his car was spotted 60 times in red light districts where the Ripper prowled for victims.// //
//An which of those occurrences is proof of his guilt?//
None is 'proof', but it isn't unreasonable to expect Mr Plod to dig a little deeper.
There was also a hoaxer whose actions were despicable (he was later found & imprisoned) who spoke with a Geordie accent; huge time & resources were placed in searching for leads in the North-East, not entirely blameless, but it might have occurred to them that because a person has a Geordie accent it doesn't necessarily follow that that is where they live.
//An which of those occurrences is proof of his guilt?//
None is 'proof', but it isn't unreasonable to expect Mr Plod to dig a little deeper.
There was also a hoaxer whose actions were despicable (he was later found & imprisoned) who spoke with a Geordie accent; huge time & resources were placed in searching for leads in the North-East, not entirely blameless, but it might have occurred to them that because a person has a Geordie accent it doesn't necessarily follow that that is where they live.
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