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Do They Want A Deal Or Not?
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"The biggest obstacle is the EUSSR's demand the UK match future rules to ensure fair competition." - surely even these deluded dictators must realise that no nation could accept such undefined interference in perpetuity.
"The biggest obstacle is the EUSSR's demand the UK match future rules to ensure fair competition." - surely even these deluded dictators must realise that no nation could accept such undefined interference in perpetuity.
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When this nonsense started way back, I said that the EU was going to play very very hard ball from day one, in an effort to discourage any other member states from getting bright ideas about leaving as well. I also suggested that they fully expected the UK to play even harder, and a rough tough fight to the line to follow. What actually happened was Teresa May,...
12:21 Fri 11th Dec 2020
They never wanted a deal Tora. From day 1 it has all been about the EUSSR stalling and moving the goalposts to buy themselves time to create the means to cause maximum damage to our Nation. It was even threatened the very morning after the result of the referendum that they would "make us pay" for escaping the ponzi scheme in case any other Country tried to escape. We were fortunate to get out just in time. It will fall like the house of cards that it is.
p.s. I note that the Hungarian Prime Minister has said that he will block any deal that is deliberately unfair to Britain. Not all the people that we have helped in the past have chosen to forget it to cover their own shame.
p.s. I note that the Hungarian Prime Minister has said that he will block any deal that is deliberately unfair to Britain. Not all the people that we have helped in the past have chosen to forget it to cover their own shame.
why? So that if Britain decides (for example) its workers should have fewer rights than European workers, so this makes British goods cheaper, the EU will say that this is abandoning a level playing field. The idea of level playing fields is common to most trade deals, it's not some EU move designed to punish Britain.
Broadly speaking, it's because they don't trust a nation led by a serial liar.
Broadly speaking, it's because they don't trust a nation led by a serial liar.
//why? So that if Britain decides (for example) its workers should have fewer rights than European workers, so this makes British goods cheaper//
More confected nonsense. Not even the marxists are predicting that wet dream. How about ... what if the EUSSR decides that everyone has 45 weeks a year holiday, a 1000% rise, 15 weeks sick leave with double pay, 15 weeks maternity pay, even if you are a single male, and not even pregnant, then demands that we put our prices up for goods in case they can't sell theirs because they are a tad expensive.
When I typed that up I had a shiver up my spine like mystic meg must have had.
More confected nonsense. Not even the marxists are predicting that wet dream. How about ... what if the EUSSR decides that everyone has 45 weeks a year holiday, a 1000% rise, 15 weeks sick leave with double pay, 15 weeks maternity pay, even if you are a single male, and not even pregnant, then demands that we put our prices up for goods in case they can't sell theirs because they are a tad expensive.
When I typed that up I had a shiver up my spine like mystic meg must have had.
When this nonsense started way back, I said that the EU was going to play very very hard ball from day one, in an effort to discourage any other member states from getting bright ideas about leaving as well.
I also suggested that they fully expected the UK to play even harder, and a rough tough fight to the line to follow.
What actually happened was Teresa May, almost apologising for trying to leave, and the EU riding even rougher shod than it thought it would need to, over the negotiations.
Here we are at the eleventh hour, and the EU stance has not changed at all - why would it? Ours however, thanks to Boris being at the helm, has grown a serious backbone, and a willingness to scrap all the way, and still walk away without a deal.
I hope the EU will not cut its nose off, and walk away with one hundred per cent of nothing, simply on the basis of some Galic arrogance, but I also hope that Britain will not concede in order to prevent it - and thankfully there seems little chance of that.
I also suggested that they fully expected the UK to play even harder, and a rough tough fight to the line to follow.
What actually happened was Teresa May, almost apologising for trying to leave, and the EU riding even rougher shod than it thought it would need to, over the negotiations.
Here we are at the eleventh hour, and the EU stance has not changed at all - why would it? Ours however, thanks to Boris being at the helm, has grown a serious backbone, and a willingness to scrap all the way, and still walk away without a deal.
I hope the EU will not cut its nose off, and walk away with one hundred per cent of nothing, simply on the basis of some Galic arrogance, but I also hope that Britain will not concede in order to prevent it - and thankfully there seems little chance of that.
naomi - // Yes, they want a deal but as danny says, on their terms - as always. //
It's true - but it's true of both sides making any deal - including us.
By definition, negotation starts with each side stating its position, and what it feels it wants to take from the deal.
The negotiation consists of working out which bits of that position either side is willing either to modify or jetison, in order to make a deal work.
So although it's true to say that the EU want a deal 'on their terms' - in that, they are no different from the UK.
It's true - but it's true of both sides making any deal - including us.
By definition, negotation starts with each side stating its position, and what it feels it wants to take from the deal.
The negotiation consists of working out which bits of that position either side is willing either to modify or jetison, in order to make a deal work.
So although it's true to say that the EU want a deal 'on their terms' - in that, they are no different from the UK.
Trevor - // Yes you can walk away from the EU, but if you want to come back to it its on EU terms.
Holy christ, genius level 12 on here. Why aren't you lot UK negotiators..... LOL. //
In the event that the UK did wish to return to the EU, it would not be on 'EU terms', it would be on negotiated terms.
This is not a playground where someone picks up their ball and goes home, and only comes back if they feel like it - it's a mutually beneficial trading system, and no one side gets to dictate terms, then, if it happens, or now.
Holy christ, genius level 12 on here. Why aren't you lot UK negotiators..... LOL. //
In the event that the UK did wish to return to the EU, it would not be on 'EU terms', it would be on negotiated terms.
This is not a playground where someone picks up their ball and goes home, and only comes back if they feel like it - it's a mutually beneficial trading system, and no one side gets to dictate terms, then, if it happens, or now.
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