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dannyk13 | 13:15 Tue 09th Feb 2021 | News
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Will this be enough to protect us from people bringing Covid19 into the UK?
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Another 'system' like T&T which relies on the good will of the general public. Why can't there be 'lanes' which people HAVE to go thru rather than this 'honesty box' approach?
10 years in jail is just bloody stupid. Many murderers get out after less.
will they be demanding the same from those who rock up on Folkestone Beach in a rubber boat?
If Mr Hancock believes that any court in this country will sentence someone to ten years in prison for failing to fill in a form he is sadly mistaken.

Short of banning all international travel into the UK there is no way that variants of the virus which have originated abroad will be prevented from reaching here. Far better to accept that fact than to suffer under any delusions.

There is a much bigger problem at preventing spread within the country caused by community interaction. People will simply not keep out of each other's houses. That cannot be prevented either and introducing the threat of harsher penalties will make no difference.
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“ Short of banning all international travel into the UK there is no way that variants of the virus which have originated abroad will be prevented from reaching here”

I agree. I understand the thinking behind this and I’m not be necessarily against it for a while, but for how longer would we be trying to keep all variants of the virus out of the country? The overwhelming likelihood is that vaccines will be adaptable to cope with variants at least to the extent of keeping people out of hospital.
We also don’t have a great record of keeping track of these things and it’s hard to see this being strict enough to work.
We have already a plentiful supply of our own variant and we are seeking to stop importing variants from other countries which are more transmissible.
Yes this method of border control will indeed help but unfortunately a bit late e.g South African mutant.
Yes, it will depend upon the British obeying, but the chancers will be just that.....chances and suffer the consequences.
I have little confidence in our public, but it is now up to them.
Any focal outbreak maybe detected, hit hard by the test and trace method of quelling outbreaks.
Yes, a step in the right direction, 10 months too late, but better late than never.
The other thing is of course:
Variants will generate here too.
They aren’t just an “abroad” thing.
The time is long long past in any case when we could stop the virus coming into the country. Britain’s strength appears to be the planning and infrastructure for analysis and treatment of the virus and its variants.
We maybe should concentrate on that.

I’m probably not allowed to comment on one of the removed posts: but I will anyway: removing it seemed a tad harsh to say the least.
See previous post.

Surprise surprise ... Bristol, that well known city abroad :-)

Am I right in thinking that the frankly OTT (and you may be certain never to be carried out) 10 year jail threat only applies to “red list” destinations? But those are countries which have existing “variants of concern”. New ones could come from anywhere although the justification presumably is that they are countries with high rates of vivid and therefore more likely to spawn new variants. But we’d be in our own red list were it possible. As would surely other countries that are not.
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Ich, there are already rules in relation to red list countries, I think this later measure will affect Britains returning.
That is what I mean ...
I’m not necessarily against the measures but I hope they have an exit strategy because “to stop variants entering the country” is a mighty optimistic aim
//Am I right in thinking that the frankly OTT (and you may be certain never to be carried out) 10 year jail threat only applies to “red list” destinations?//

Mr Hancock suggested it would be used against anybody who misled the authorities by anybody who provided false information on their "Passenger Locator" form.

Leaving aside the fact that, as I said in another thread, there is not a court in the land who would impose a prison sentence of such length (and in fact I doubt of any length) on a person accused of providing false information in such circumstances, Mr Hancock seems to be relying on legislation which does not cover the situation he envisages. It seems he is relying on the Public Health (Control of Disease) Act 1984. But just about everything to do with containing the spread of disease in that Act involves restrictions on people who have or are suspected of having an infectious disease. I must say I haven't read it all but I cannot find anywhere where restrictions which contain such severe penalties for transgressions apply to people who have simply arrived in the UK from a lace where the disease is suspected of being prevalent. But who would have believed, 12 months ago, that we would discussing a serious warning from a government minister, that people should face 10 years custody for improperly completing a form?

On a wider note, I notice that Mr Hancock is now suggesting that draconian restrictions will remain in force so long as the threat of "variants" persists. That might as well be forever, then, because they will always exist.
With bans on non essential travel and holidays, just why are there still so many people flying into the country? I know its a lot less than normal but just been looking at flight arrivals at Heathrow and can't believe its viable to still have flights from so many places.
“ That might as well be forever, then, because they will always exist.”

This is my concern. Either Mr Hancock doesn’t realise what he’s saying, is saying it badly, or he means it ...
None of those options is very reassuring
There are still a lot of people need to travel. Whether all the passengers in all the flights fit that profile I don’t know.
But aside from the variant scare, there seems little point fretting too much in general about international travel when we’re already up to our neck in it
Indeed, ikky.

There seems to be this school of thought that variants, mutations, call them what you will, only originate abroad. They don't. There have been many variants detected here where there is no hint that those infected have either been abroad or had any contact with anybody who has.
I’ve just been reading about the “ten year” threat. Apparently Downing Street said MPs will not be asked to vote on the plans as the government will be including the restrictions under the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981. I’ve just had a glance at that. The only offences which attract a ten year sentence are those in Part One which is concerned with forgery and uttering false instruments. This is all about counterfeiting and making forgeries of documents or instruments. It relates specifically to producing documents which are not what they purport to be. If somebody fills in an official form but with incorrect or misleading information that is not forgery.

Lord Sumption wrote today that he suspects the Health Secretary is losing touch with reality. I’m inclined to agree. I suspect (as does Sir Kier Starmer, former Director of Public Prosecutions) that there is not a cat in Hell’s chance of anybody going to prison for the offence outlined by Mr Hancock because, if it is associated with the forgery and Counterfeiting Act, no offence will have been committed at all.
Just what is happening here? People threatened with ten years in the Chokey for an offence which, on the face of it, appears not to exist (well certainly not within the legislation it is said to fall under).
Think you might find that this is just a precursor to linking the entry into the UK, or indeed any Country that goes down that route, with a covid "passport" offering exemption or 10 days in chokie. A counterfeit covid passport is liable to be linked to the, rightfully, strict forgery statutes and a false declaration of place of origin will be itself considered as fraudulent. Good.

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