This Is Getting Out Of Hand.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1395811/Piers-Morgan-NHS-midwives-transgender-chestfeeding-breastfeeding-GMB-video
Mother = Birthing parent! Breast feeding = Chest feeding! For gawds sake how far are we expected to go to accommodate these people?

[bednobs]

well I was going to contribute to the discussion but I see TTT has called his customary halt to discussions by saying "end of" so I won't bother

[ummmm]

My thoughts exactly, bednobs.

[naomi24]

But TTT is right. People who give birth are women and they are mothers. Men don't do any of that - no matter what they call themselves.

[pixie374]

Tbf, bednobs and ummm... what word would you use for someone who has given birth, if not mother?

[SparklyKid]

Sheer lunacy.

[mushroom25]

// People who give birth are women and they are mothers //

that one has been tested in court. Several times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-52471697
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/16/trans-man-loses-uk-legal-battle-to-register-as-his-childs-father

[pastafreak]

//...had their boobs removed/flattened but their reproductive organs and feeding apparatus preserved so they can have children and naturally feed them. "Birthing parent" and "chestfeeding" works then, ...//

How does that work? How can "feeding apparatus" be preserved if they've had "boobs removed/flattened"?

[pixie374]

Quite rightly, mushroom. I suspect it may get to a point where it is allowed to lie on your child's birth certificate (look at Elton John...) but changing words doesn't change truth.

[royfromaus]

pixie374
Tbf, bednobs and ummm... what word would you use for someone who has given birth, if not mother?
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The Spawner?

[pixie374]

Lol.... it does seem odd though, to exclude and alienate 100% of people that give birth. But why not, as that is the aim.

[jim360]

Nothing is "getting out of hand". This is a meaningless distraction, applying to nobody here. Simply use the vocabulary that you feel is appropriate for the person you are dealing with; if there's any ambiguity or disagreement, then it's your choice to pick a battle over it or not, but it should be clear that it's infinitely more important to provide people with healthcare and ensure that they feel comfortable than it is to make a political point about gender theory.

[pixie374]

Not any more, Jim. Now it's important to use the PC words, than make people feel comfortable and included.

[Chinajan]

Are they renaming breast cancer as well then?

[naomi24]

//ensure that they feel comfortable //

Being expected to indulge fantasies and to lie to suit other people makes me feel uncomfortable. Does their discomfort take precedence over mine mine?

[pixie374]

China, as I mentioned on a previous thread, nurses have already been forced to perform smear tests on men. So, yes, quite probably.

[ummmm]

I think we were answering to TTT's 'end of' comment. That's like he's not inviting a debate. He's chosen so it's END OF....me ole China.

I will continue with the terms I use. I'm a woman, I gave birth, and I breastfed my babies.

[bednobs]

I was going to contribute to the debate but as I said, it's end of now, so no more replies needed

[ToraToraTora]

ummmm: "I think we were answering to TTT's 'end of' comment. That's like he's not inviting a debate. He's chosen so it's END OF....me ole China. " - not at all, I used "end of" because there is no ambiguity, a woman that has given birth is a mother, there is no possible point to discuss. There are other aspects to debate.

[pixie374]

I know, ummmm.... but anyone can continue to post. Don't be bullied :-)

[jim360]

// Does their discomfort take precedence over mine mine? //

If you were the carer of a patient, then yes, of course it does. The patient's needs come first in healthcare.

Incidentally, the advice is being misrepresented massively, because of course it is. There's no obligation to use the term "chest feeding" in *all* cases, or indeed at all. This is advice.