Vaccine Passports

[-SharonA-]

Are you in favour??
The way I look at it, I can understand businesses & shops wanting to protect their customers, but to me the unvaccinated are taking the biggest risk.

[ToraToraTora]

ok so the next thing will be, "they could be forged, yada yada yada". Yes, like everything throughout history they can be forged. They will get rooted out and prosecuted as before, end of, next...... Modern systems, will make forgeries difficult, I'll settle for that.

[dannyk13]

Sharon //I am talking about those who believe all those conspiracy theories about the vaccine!!//
That is a horse of a different colour.I agree with you about antivaxxers.

[burlyshirley]

Totally opposed to them, but who says they are being made law ?

[dannyk13]

Shirley // but who says they are being made law ?//
That is what parliament is due to discuss.

[bluemoon1]

SharonA I'm assuming that you have had the vaccine and are now walking about safe in the knowledge that you cannot catch Covid.
Unfortunately you are not, you are just as likely to catch it as anybody else.
A vaccine merely prepares the body for an attack by a virus so the symptoms are less likely to be life threatening.
Also whilst you have the virus you will still be able to transmit it, whether being selfish or not.

[ToraToraTora]

no need to make them law, just make it impossible to live if you haven't got one.

[ToraToraTora]

blue moon that's bowlocks.

[Zacs-Master]

I don't think a few isolated instances of bad reactions are a valid reason not to have some general certification.

[burlyshirley]

Thanks danny, so Boris is doing a u turn then ... .

[ToraToraTora]

a vaccinated person's system will kill the virus when it enters the body. So in the interim, yes they'll have briefly, but it means that the time for contagion is limited and even then the virus will not get a foothold. if non vaccinated people have it they can pass it on to other non vaccinated people. So you cannot treat vaccinated and non vaccinated people the same like you suggest in your first incorrect post, end of.

[woofgang]

no....there are as I said (does no one read back on threads?) two things mixed up here. There is what happens in the UK....where vaccination is not compulsory and the law currently says that it cannot be.....

then there is the global situation. If globally countries are going to require certain certification, then the gov (I think) has a duty to supply it or make it available in a form that is compiant with the global scheme. So far as I am aware, Boris or anyone else in the cabinet has never mentioned this let alone ruled it out.

[dannyk13]

Shirley,Thanks danny, so Boris is doing a u turn then ... //
No, his latest pronouncement is that his view remains the same but at the same time the matter must be thoroughly discussed.

[dannyk13]

TTT at 14.08, to whom was that addressed?

[-SharonA-]

//SharonA I'm assuming that you have had the vaccine and are now walking about safe in the knowledge that you cannot catch Covid.//
That's right, at least my chances are reduced compared to someone who has not been vaccinated.

[dannyk13]

Woofie, if you are talking about visiting other countries would it not be easier to have an endorsment in ones passport indicating that the holder had been vaccinated.

[ToraToraTora]

14:08 is addressed to bluemoon.
If someone with the virus is the same as someone vaccinated, what's the kin point?

[woofgang]

o god he's at the end of nonsense again.

of course one can treat vaccinated and unvaccinated people the same. The issue is whether one should.

[ToraToraTora]

bluemoon: "Does the vaccine mean you can't catch Covid? NO"- but it does mean covid cannot survive long in the body.
"Does the vaccine mean you can't transmit Covid? NO" - but it does mean very much less chance of transmission.
"Why should somebody who has had it be treated any differently from somebody who hasn't?" - frankly I wonder at the level of intellect needed to ask such a thing.
If a vaccinated person is the same as a non vaccinated one then why are we moving heaven and earth to vaccinate people?

[woofgang]

danny "Woofie, if you are talking about visiting other countries would it not be easier to have an endorsment in ones passport indicating that the holder had been vaccinated."

I have no idea. What I do have an idea about is that whatever is agreed for international travel will need to be internationally agreed.

[ToraToraTora]

woofie: "I have no idea. What I do have an idea about is that whatever is agreed for international travel will need to be internationally agreed. " - err no, nothing stopping any nation unilaterally decreeing that a vaccination is necessary to get in. The system already exists, if say nationX says that you need to have been vaccinated, then any airline will check it before they fly, like any other requirement today. They have a heavy fine structure for airlines who land people without the proper authorisation.