Vaccine Passports

[-SharonA-]

Are you in favour??
The way I look at it, I can understand businesses & shops wanting to protect their customers, but to me the unvaccinated are taking the biggest risk.

[dannyk13]

Boris is casting doubt about them, says that they are discriminatory against those who genuinely don't want the vaccine.

[pixie374]

No. Any customers wanting protecting, will have protected themselves, or at least, be aware of the risks. There will always be some, who just can't be vaccinated for some reason.
Protection of the general population, is hugely important- but never at the cost of forcing medical treatment on others.

[pixie374]

Danny, that seems to be the law so far. As I said before, our local carehome looked into it- not because they want to manipulate people, but so they had a proper answer, if anyone asked. It would be discrimination for people to lose their jobs, atm, due to beliefs.
It worries me, if that legally changes, that it might make far more difference than we intend.

[brainiac]

I don't know why this idea seems so controversial, as there already is such a thing. It is the 'International Certificate of Vaccination or Prophylaxis', which complies with WHO International Health Regulations (2005), and is issued by the health departments of England and the devolved administrations.

It was introduced to record yellow fever vaccinations, but records of all other vaccinations can be included. Details of vaccines taken are recorded with he date of vaccination, and an internationally recognised official stamp is applied by the administering centre. As this system already exists, records of Covid-19 vaccinations could easily be added.

[dannyk13]

braniac- it is the use of them as passports that is controversial.

[MWG14]

I am very much in favour.

[-SharonA-]

Michael Gove will be leading the review into these passports.
I think it's a good idea. Maybe a digital passport to stop forgeries.

[Bobbisox1]

I can see airlines and tour operators wanting proof of you being vaccinated, I don't blame them

[woofgang]

I think its two things mixed up. Something to use within the UK is one thing. I sort of don't have a view about those yet. The global issue is bigger. If countries want visitors to carry a vaccine passport then the UK gov. can't override that requirement and I think has a duty to supply their citizens with something that will fit in with the global scheme when there is one....like biometric passports which also work in places where the biometric scheme isn't used.
yes when I travelled I used to have every jab under the sun because there was no knowing where the ship would end up (cargo ship) and different countries had different requirements. I have still got my yellow book somewhere.

As I said, its two things....what is "right" acceptable and reasonable in one's home country and what the global situation is.

[woofgang]

danny, I think that calling them "passports" doesn't mean that they will be passports as such..its a loose use of words. "Vaccine certification" might be a better phrase

[bednobs]

what are vaccine passports? Someone asked this question the other day and was also not able to describe what was meant by it

[Zacs-Master]

There was an interesting discussion on this back in September:
https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1730598-5.html

[Zacs-Master]

Sorry, I meant December.

[aelmpvw]

as Woofgang says, i think they're "Vaccine certification" for you to gain access shops, pubs etc, which doesn't sound like a good idea to me

[Zacs-Master]

Bednobs, it would merely be a card or certificate stating that you'd had the vaccine (or maybe both doses).

[rowanwitch]

When I chose to work in the nhs I had to prove I was up to date on all the routine vaccinations plus before setting foot on a ward a hep B course. Every time I applied for promotion I had to prove again I was up to date. I don't know what people are getting so het up about, You could issue exemption documents for those with a valid reason for not being vaccinated. I wouldn't consider personal choice a valid reason, nor religion and would be perfectly comfortable with the idea of producing some form of passcard to enter places if it meant I would then be subject to no further restrictions. I can see a lot of countries who will make vaccination a condition of entry, as should we. People are excluded from places for a variety of reasons already, dress codes, age limits, drunkeness, etc, no one says their human rights are violated its nornally because of safety reasons or for the benefit of other patrons, surely those of us who take the vaccine have a right to be protected from an increased risk illness when we travel or go to events etc. Remembering the vaccine is not yet proven to prevent transmission but this may be the case as more follow up research takes place.

[dannyk13]

Passport or certificate whatever it is called, I don't think it is a good idea.If someone has a genuine reason for not wanting the vaccine what are you going to do about it ? Ban them from shops, public transport etc?

[bluemoon1]

Does the vaccine mean you can't catch Covid? NO
Does the vaccine mean you can't transmit Covid? NO
Why should somebody who has had it be treated any differently from somebody who hasn't?

[woofgang]

ZM you get that already.....and I can lend mine to anyone!

[dave50]

The pig headed and bloody minded who refuse the vaccine should not expect the same freedoms as the rest of us. A vaccine passport is a good idea.