Vaccine Passports

[-SharonA-]

Are you in favour??
The way I look at it, I can understand businesses & shops wanting to protect their customers, but to me the unvaccinated are taking the biggest risk.

[pixie374]

International travel, is one matter- as sunny dave said to me, there are already some requirements, so this might be another. But international travel isn't generally essential (as isn't NHS staff "having" to).
I have had the first one, for work, as I decided to. And just to hopefully reassure anyone who gets the same- i had absolutely no fluey side effects, of temperature, shivering, fatigue- but did get some skin itching, which is apparently ok and just a different side-effect.
I will never agree though, that any individuals should be manipulated, forced or heavily persuaded to have medical treatment, on the potential behalf of other people. Each to their own- and much as i would love everyone to get vaccinated. Proper consent is essential.

[Stickybottle]

Very much in favour and as stupidly liberal as we are in the uk we may as well get on board with the idea because you can almost guarantee that european countries will do it, especially the likes of Span and Italy I reckon because they took such a big hit from covid

[Zacs-Master]

'easier to have an endorsment in ones passport indicating that the holder had been vaccinated'

Not everyone has a passport.

[dannyk13]

ZM, How does one travel abroad without a passport?

[ichkeria]

There won't be vacine passports as such. I'm not sure that even makes any sense: it's something that is talked about eithout any real idea of what is meant.

What there might are verifications for internal use - isn't there an app being developed along the lones of the 18+ verification system?
And internationally there may be mutual arangements between countries, especially those between which there is a lot of tourist travel.

[bednobs]

bluemoon - I was just clarifying that when I said it was a good point, other people may not think so - I do because I agree with you :)

[New Judge]

//Not everyone has a passport.//

Then they won't be going abroad then, will they Zacs?

As I think woofgang has tried to emphasise a couple, of times, what foreign governments insist on is a matter for them and there may be a need to prove vaccination when travelling abroad (in which case the passport endorsement seems a good idea). But I cannot see proof of vaccination being made a condition to do much in this country with the possible exception of one or two lines of work. I don't expect employers such as Charlie Mullins getting very far. That said, these are strange times and strange things are happening.

[Stickybottle]

Lol at danny
Why are you going on about the reactions to the vaccine because I cannot imagine a reaction worse than death from Covid but I am sure you will find an excuse
I agree with everything Rowanwitch has said and the sooner we all get on board with it the sooner we will be on the right path

[ichkeria]

"That said, these are strange times and strange things are happening. "

There is an idea I think that people may need to "swipe in" or check in "vaccine safe" to certain venues, for the short term anyway. I think the "U-turn" being talked of is along the lines that the government seems less opposed to that idea than it was.
Arrangements for international travel will be as you say, up to individual governments. It wouldd make no sense otherwise.

[dannyk13]

Sticky //but I am sure you will find an excuse/
Why would I need an excuse? I have already had my first jab.

[Zacs-Master]

The discussion in general is about shops and businesses, not going abroad.

[dannyk13]

ZM if you check back you will find several posts mentioning travel abroad.

[jno]

if it goes in your passport, will you have to update it every year? Will you have to send it the Passport Office for each jab?

I would have thought a stamp on the yellow vaccination certificates would be enough

[Stickybottle]

Danny
Sticky //but I am sure you will find an excuse/
Why would I need an excuse? I have already had my first jab.

So why the scaremongering about extremely minor reactions to the jab when nearly 20 million have been vaccinated with no major serious side effects in contrast to 120,000 dead I just do not get your thought process

[dannyk13]

Minor reaction? Did you read my links?

[pixie374]

Stickybottle, it isn't your decision whether side-effects are minor, or more minor than covid. People are entitled to make their own decisions about their own health.

[ToraToraTora]

"if it goes in your passport, will you have to update it every year? Will you have to send it the Passport Office for each jab? " - it'll go in the central records with everything else that gets looked up when they scan a passport, it won't be physical.

[pixie374]

SB seems to be under the impression that you either get side-effects from the vaccine- or you die from covid.
In reality, the vast majority will never get covid, and even fewer will be hospitalised or die from it.
The quandary is the same as with other vaccines or hormonal birth control for women, etc. These are extra risks that you are giving to otherwise healthy people. Not treatments for someone ill.
I am all for vaccines, but be honest about it.

[Stickybottle]

pixie374
Stickybottle, it isn't your decision whether side-effects are minor, or more minor than covid. People are entitled to make their own decisions about their own health

Lol I think you will find it is nobody’s’decision’ it is just a fact that they are minor in the general scheme and certainly in comparison to death from covid or have you got examples of multiple unexplained deaths from vaccine?

[pixie374]

That's what you are choosing to compare it to- as I said afterwards. If you decide to compare side-effects to healthy people, it's a different answer. It's all about risk assessment and personal judgement. Like I said, just be honest.
A vaccine is safer no doubt, than covid.
Giving a vaccine to a healthy person, isn't.
The question is the risk in between. Not your choice.