Anyone Been Watching The Derek Chauvin Trial?

[Spicerack]

I presume we're allowed to talk about it as it's all live-streamed on US tv.

[Khandro]

andy- hughes, Try going out on the streets and having to restrain a known violent, drug-crazed ex con who may or may not be carrying a weapon, in front of a baying mob.

[shoota]

It is true that the attorney I quoted has paraphrased the evidence rather than transcribed it verbatim but I still don't see what you are arguing about.

[Spicerack]

All the early prosecution witnesses had had half a dozen meetings with police, the FBI and the prosecutors. Turned out to be a disadvantage.
Even if you're telling the whole truth as you see it, it's hard to stick to one story and remember it all in court. The defence attorney could 'cherry pick' from all the different renditions and make them look less credible.

[royfromaus]

Khandro
andy- hughes, Try going out on the streets and having to restrain a known violent, drug-crazed ex con who may or may not be carrying a weapon, in front of a baying mob.
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Once he was in cuffs, was there a need to put a knee on his neck?
I didn't see any mob.

[Spicerack]

And that compensation being paid out immediately before the trial was an absolute disgrace. I'm sure none of you would argue with that.

[THECORBYLOON]

It gives the impression he was asked about and agreed with something that he wasn't asked about.

[THECORBYLOON]

The decision to pay compensation could have been based on a civil level of proof rather than a criminal level.

[Spicerack]

I'd agree the knee/neck thing wasn't a good look. But there was a very vocal 'mob'. I wondered whether Chauvin kept his knee there way longer than necessary because the crowd were ordering him to remove it. (with menaces)
Like it became a battle of wills.

[shoota]

'Would the threat of imminent physical violence from bystanders be a sufficient reason to maintain restraint on a suspect? If the crowd is shouting that they’re going to slap the “F” out of you, that you’re a “p-word,” that you’re a bum, would that be sufficient to cause the officers to be alarmed about the prospect of imminent physical violence from the bystanders?

Yes, Mercil answered, it would.'

[THECORBYLOON]

'In his cross-examination of Mercil, Nelson offered a couple examples to the use-of-force coordinator.

“If they’re cheering on and saying, ‘Good job, officer,’ that’s one consideration,” Nelson said to Mercil. “But if they’re saying, ‘I’d slap the [expletive] out of you’ or ‘You’re a [expletive]’ or ‘You’re a chump,’ would that reasonably tend to rise alarm in a police officer?”

After Mercil agreed that it would, the prosecution only had one other follow-up to Nelson’s example.

“And if they’re saying, ‘Get off him, you’re killing him,’ should the officer also take that into account and consider whether their actions need to be reassessed?” asked one of the prosecutors.

“Potentially, sir, yes,” Mercil replied.'

"would that reasonably tend to rise alarm in a police officer?” is somewhat different from, "would that be sufficient to cause the officers to be alarmed about the prospect of imminent physical violence from the bystanders?"

[Paigntonian]

Khandro: You can see quite clearly there was no 'baying mob'. Everyone in the immediate vicinity was remarkably controlled, party because they were so shocked. You need to look at the video evidence.

[douglas9401]

Yeah, more words in the second quote.

I get the feeling you never finished QC school, THECORBYLOON.

[Spicerack]

You must be listening to a video with the sound turned off, Paingtonian.
They were very vocal and threatening.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro at 22.52 - what does that have to do with the point you made, or my response to it?

[youngmafbog]

//'Young Derek' murdered someone.//

Good job you are not on the jury. That is what this trial is trying to establish. The fact he killed someone does not automatically translate to a conviction of Murder.

Personally I dont see how Chauvin can get a fair trial. Media has already tried him and as we see on here people have made their minds up before all the evidence has been presented.

[Khandro]

youngmafbog: Hear hear!

[Spicerack]

It hasn't been established that Chauvin killed poor old George yet, ymb.
The toxicological? evidence may prove interesting. If George had enough drugs in his system to kill himself, would that make any difference to the people who have declared Chauvin guilty? (on the evidence of one selective video)

[Khandro]

'Most Americans who saw the nine-minute tape of Chauvin with his knee on the neck of George Floyd as he pleaded, “I can’t breathe,” will probably concur with the charge of criminal culpability of Chauvin.

Yet, over the months, new facts and factors have emerged.

George Floyd was not choked to death. He was not asphyxiated. He was not killed by Chauvin’s knee on the side of his neck. An autopsy showed Floyd’s neck muscles were not even bruised.

Floyd died when his heart stopped. Yet, he was already suffering from an enlarged heart with constricted arteries, one of five of which was 90% blocked and two others were 75% blocked.

An autopsy found heavy concentrations of fentanyl in Floyd’s system and traces of methamphetamines. If Floyd had collapsed and died in the street while being wrested into the squad car, his death would have been attributed to a drug overdose and a bad heart.

Also, a videotape of the minutes prior to Floyd’s being put on the pavement, his neck under Chauvin’s knee, shows Floyd crying, repeatedly, “I can’t breathe,” while resisting the two rookie cops trying to put him in the patrol car.'

Patrick Buchanan

[Khandro]

One especially distraught witness, Charles McMillian, an elderly black man, testified to seeing “foam” coming out of Floyd’s mouth.

QUIZ: Is foam coming out of the mouth a sign of:


a) a head wound?
b) strangulation?
c) a drug overdose?

ANSWER: c) a drug overdose.

[Jackdaw33]

The more I read about this trial the more I feel that an acquittal is likely. Then the stuff will really hit the fan on the streets.