Why Is India Falsifying Death Figures?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/india-crematoriums-underreporting-bodies-as-suspicion-grows-over-true-number-of-coronavirus-deaths-12288828
Just seen the report on Sky news. They asked one crematorium how many deaths in the last 24 hours and they responded with a number that was less than they had seen brought in in the last hour. They later questioned another set of figures and were told by the officials that they had been ordered from above to quote lesser figures. So what's going on? Gawd knows what the true figure is.

[ToraToraTora]

YMB: "Much is being made of the high numbers in India. Yes, they are high but they have a population 23 times ours. Multiply our highest rate and they are nowhere near." - yes but there is growing evidence that their true figures could be vastly more than they say.

[youngmafbog]

Cheltenham anyone?

[youngmafbog]

Where is the evidence? A Sky report doesn't count, I dont do trial by media which lies at every opportunity.

I have no doubt the figures are wrong, for the reasons I said above. But what countries are correct?

They have a problem due to the huge numbers and poor infrastructure, rather than go on about the numbers lets all muck in and help the country.

[emmie]

It could well be on its way here, UK has a high number of Asian people, many have relatives in India, so they may have gone out there to try and help those relatives. and come back with a new varient of covid - doesn't bear thinking about if we had a fourth lockdown. and an upsurge in cases here.

[Togo]

There are a number of reasons why India, or indeed any Country, might massage the figures to make them appear less. I would dearly love to know why we, apparently alone, would go to such great lengths to make the figure higher.

[emmie]

UK is sending aid as promised, like China, USA, its all one can do.

[ToraToraTora]

Yes, Togs, good point, we do appear to be massaging our figures in the opposite direction to everyone else!

[Spicerack]

India have a Trump-like PM, ttt.
I wouldn't take anything the MSM say at face value.

[emmie]

no one wants to admit the figures are higher, their government certainly won't.

[youngmafbog]

// I would dearly love to know why we, apparently alone, would go to such great lengths to make the figure higher.//

How about trying to justify wrecking the economy, putting able people into debt, loosing their homes and businesses, not providing services to cancer and potential heart attack patients etc.

[bobbinwales]

There are elections coming up in India very soon. Also the goverment is embarrassed as not long ago it claimed victory over covid and allowed things like crowds at the cricket, removed lockdowns

[bobbinwales]

why not change the record please younmadbog, your conspiracy theory that the goverment is deliberately wrecking the economy and using covid as an excuse is just plain daft.

[youngmafbog]

//your conspiracy theory that the goverment is deliberately wrecking the economy //

And where exactly did I say that?

Read my posts correctly and stop accusing me of writing things you want me to rather than what I did.

[Peter Pedant]

//Gawd knows what the true figure is.//
nope
we do
it is greater than the upper quoted figure
and that give what maffers like Jim360 call a least upper bound-- lub
or lower bound - - thingey that figures dont go below

a date that cant be because the author is dead is a terminus ante quem - same kinda thing.

why do they do it?
Chinee - no way clink- - If I dont lie I will go to aighur concentration camp.No it is NOT the name of the prison he would go to
Russian nyet - gulag - if I dont lie I will go to gulag
Dom C - I can see my way to telling the truth ( ha! geddit?)

after all - you godless lot - - what IS Truth?

[jim360]

The first caveat is that no country in the world provides 100% accurate figures, nor even can they. The UK is no exception -- and, incidentally, no we haven't over-reported deaths, with the possible exception of the period around August last year when the count was "deaths among all those who had a positive test no matter how long ago that test was", which obviously would overcount more and more over time.

The second question is what the figure even being officially reported is. In most countries, the official count is based on deaths among confirmed positive cases. If the epidemic in India is growing out of control faster than critical patients can be tested, then many who die of Covid might be missed from the official figures by virtue of being untested. This wouldn't be a conspiracy or a cover-up, but incompetence at most. Equally, if the system is overwhelmed then it becomes a lot harder for officials to keep track of the data anyway.

Regardless, this is all terrifying, but right now the priority is surely to provide help to India as much as is possible.

[Peter Pedant]

// And where exactly did I say that?//
obviously incompatible with - I wd rather see bodies piled high ....

I know this is Ab but really posts should make SOME sort of sense

[Peter Pedant]

// which obviously would overcount more and more over time.//
covid at any time

er well only if long covid is NOT a problem, which actually we know it is. ( I regard 30% go onto to long covid as an upper bound ( see above haha)

Whitty making a titty of himself ( in the best parsible taste) saying we would get away with 20 000 dead. and here we are with 126 000 and rising ( six fold error)

[andres]

India doesn't have a health service like the UK. Deaths unless they are in hospitals probably don't have the cause reported. The plain truth is that thousands are dying all over the country ,crematoriums are overflowing and desperation is taking over. The virus is claiming the lives not only of the elderly but is now killing younger people. The country is drowning in death. The actual number of deaths may never be revealed.

[Peter Pedant]

davebro pt is valid
one mortuary tech ( there must be a name - fella ( wallah) who runs the cremation areas - pyre-wallah? ) said the hospital cases were certified but deaths at home they just came and burnt them ( after er paying the fee of course )

what are the Parsee doing ? - no no take that back

[Togo]

//I know this is Ab but really posts should make SOME sort of sense// sic

He really did have the gall to say that. Talk about self regard being a stranger to self awareness.

Ta TTT.