You Just Can't Win Can You...........

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/england-defender-tyrone-mings-hits-out-at-home-secretary-priti-patel-after-players-subject-to-racist-abuse-12354567
Everyone condemns the abuse after the game including the HomeSec. Yet that's not good enough because she correctly condemned the kneeling cobras as "gesture politics". Some footballers got abused after missing penalties, she gets vile sexual and racist abuse every day and she's the bad guy! Unbelievable!

[ichkeria]

Abuse against Priti Patel is vile.

Which makes her criticism of the players sll the more bizarre.
While I wouldn’t go as far as Angela Rayner, I do think some politicians need to be more attentive to what they say: strong words after the event are all well and good, but mealy-mouthed statements about moral equivalence, a la Donald Trump after Charlottesville, aren’t helpful and in fact are probably harmful

[Ellipsis]

This sums it up:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57778668
Writing on Twitter on Monday evening, Mings said: "You don't get to stoke the fire at the beginning of the tournament by labelling our anti-racism message as 'Gesture Politics' and then pretend to be disgusted when the very thing we're campaigning against, happens.".
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Is Harry Kane demonstrating a subservience to black people or a support for Marxism when he takes the knee? No, of course not. If you choose to interpret it like that, look to your own motives for interpreting it that way rather than the way he means it.

Kane and all footballers who take the knee are quite clear about why they do it, and it's a campaign against the racism which is clearly and persistently endemic in football and wider society.

So when Priti Patel supports the booing of footballers who are taking a stand (by taking the knee) against racism, and then a few weeks later she condemns racism directed at footballers, there's only one place the gesture politics is coming from: her populist mouth.

[naomi24]

//So when Priti Patel supports the booing of footballers //

Where did she do that? She doesn't approve of the gesture politics of 'taking the knee' but that doesn't equate to supporting booing. More spin.

[Untitled]

She refused to condemn them being booed.

[ToraToraTora]

it's quite possible to abhor the kneeling bowlocks and racism at the same time. The two things are not related really.

[Untitled]

and also I couldn't care less if kneeling is gesture politics... I can't honestly say I think it's all that effective but I truly cannot understand the anger or embarrassment others seem to feel... anti-racism seems to provoke a lot more anger in this case than racism does.

[ToraToraTora]

"So when Priti Patel supports the booing of footballers who are taking a stand (by taking the knee) against racism," - must have missed that. She said the knee carp was gesture politics and she's right, I never heard her support booing anywhere.

[Untitled]

Actually Tora I think it is rather odd to "abhor" the kneeling... disagree? Sure... Confusion? Understandable... Unconvinced? I would probably say that myself... but abhorrence? That's a very very strange reaction.

[Ellipsis]

Here's what she didn't support: "I don't support people participating in that kind of gesture politics" [her words, referring to players taking the knee]

Here's what she thought about "fans" booing those taking the knee: “that's a choice for them, quite frankly”

So she does not support players taking a stand against racism, and she does not condemn people booing that. Interpret that as you will in the light of her recent comments.

[Untitled]

She was asked to condemn the booing, and chose instead to condemn the kneelers...

[Ellipsis]

"That's a choice for them, quite frankly" is something she could have said about the players, too, but she chose different words. I think it's pretty obvious where her sympathies lay.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: " I would probably say that myself... but abhorrence? That's a very very strange reaction. " - Abhor it because of what it's doing to normally sensible people, not just sportspeople, they are bing bullied into it by fear of being labelled. That's what I abhor. Originally started as protest in the NFL it has been adopted by the BLM anarchist mob who exploited the death of a career criminal resisting arrest to promote their own brand of looting lawlessness etc. It infected the weak minded and self flagulators. It attracted the professional victims and band wagon leapers in droves. That's what I abhor.

[THECORBYLOON]

Taking the knee and booing are both personal choices yet she condemns only only one of them.

[Ellipsis]

> the BLM anarchist mob who exploited the death of a career criminal resisting arrest to promote their own brand of looting lawlessness etc. It infected the weak minded and self flagulators. It attracted the professional victims and band wagon leapers in droves.

Which of your labels fits the following:

Gareth Southgate - anarchist?
Harry Kane - weak minded?
Jordan Pickford - self "flagulator"?
Harry Maguire - professional victim?
Luke Shaw - band wagon leaper?

[naomi24]

band wagon leapers.

[Ellipsis]

The lot of them? OK. By labelling them as "band wagon leapers", do I take it that means you think they don't actually believe in the cause, they just want to profit from it in some way?

[naomi24]

I didn't mention profit - but I do think there are an awful lot of people who want to be seen to be doing what the woke consider to be the right thing. Band wagon leapers abound.

[dannyk13]

Politics shoud never be allowed to infiltrate sports.

[Ellipsis]

> Politics shoud never be allowed to infiltrate sports.

Are you talking about Priti Patel? Boris Johnson? Keir Starmer? They all seem to have a bit to say about the England football team.

[Ellipsis]

> there are an awful lot of people who want to be seen to be doing what the woke consider to be the right thing

Why would they want that, if they didn't consider it to be the right thing themselves?