Sarah Everard's Murderer

[sp1814]

The current law in England and Wales states that the murder of a police (or prison) officer in the course of duty is a factor indicating a murder of ‘particularly high seriousness’, which must attract a minimum sentence of 30 years.

This is (thankfully) extremely rare, but if found guilty should the same apply to police / prison officers who murder civilians?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/sep/29/sarah-everard-family-haunted-by-the-horror-of-daughters-murder

[pixie374]

Why??

[pixie374]

Naomi and I have said all along, painless... death.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Why?? //

Because euthaniasia involves the moral choice of an individal to end their own life at a time and place of their own choosing, for their own reasons.

Execution involves the legal decision of a society to end an individual's life at a time and place of its own choosing, for its own reasons.

One has a number of choices, the other no choices whatsoever.

In the same way that apples and oranges are fruit, but funadmentally not the same thing, euthanasia and exection both involve death, but that is all they have in common.

[pixie374]

Ah no, I think you are referring to assisted suicide? I meant, euthanasia.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Ah no, I think you are referring to assisted suicide? I meant, euthanasia. //

The definition of euthanasia is the painless ending of life in order to relieve pain and suffering.

I don't think execution fits that definition!!

[pixie374]

It does. Euthanasia is a painless ending of life... like we sometimes have to do with animals. Not cruel or painful, just necessary.
It's assisted suicide, which needs consent.

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // It does. Euthanasia is a painless ending of life... like we sometimes have to do with animals. Not cruel or painful, just necessary. //

I honestly believe you are stretching to encompass execution and euthanisa under the same label.

Saying that euthanasia is the painless ending of life, like execution, brings forth the notion that mice are grey, so are elephants, therefore they are the same.

[douglas9401]

I know I'm getting to the point where I'm looking for blessed release.

Mice and elephants brought us here.

[pixie374]

Honestly, don't understand, Andy. Unless you are assuming that "executions" nowadays, would use the old-fashioned methods?

[andy-hughes]

pixie - // Honestly, don't understand, Andy. Unless you are assuming that "executions" nowadays, would use the old-fashioned methods? //

The only 'humane' way to execute someone is to inject them in their sleep.

Anything else involves the individual being aware of what is happening.

Even Pierrpoint's amazing 'in the room and down the drop in twelve seconds' is twelve seconds where the individual knows they are about to die.

[pixie374]

I'm sure they would and should know. They may have last meals, last words they want, messages to give. Fair enough.
Hanging, sometimes, means being strangled instead. I was also quite horrified to find out that people beheaded, often stay aware and conscious, for 3 or 4 minutes after.
So no, no revenge.... gentle and peaceful.

[naomi24]

AH, You’re worried about a murderer’s mental well-being? Seriously?

[pixie374]

I am, to a point, naomi... People should have a gentle death, with some preparation, but without mental torture. We have solved the problem, cruelty is unnecessary and superfluous.

[Patsy33]

My son just told me, after reading news reports, that years ago a colleague of Wayne Couzens said he was known, nicknamed, as The Rapist..

[Barsel]

I agree with Naomi and Pixie. people like this do not deserve to stay alive.
Those of you who don't believe in capital punishment are basically saying that although we know this cretin did these things to this beautiful young girl, he should be allowed to live the rest of his life in a place where he will be looked after and all paid for by the tax payer?
Why? Why do you think this way? Is it a religious thing with you?
If we know for sure, and we have ways now that we didn't have 50 years ago, that someone did commit such a heinous crime, why should that person be allowed to live?

[naomi24]

I’m not, pixie. I wouldn’t cause him physical pain but if he’s handed a death sentence, unless we drug him until such time as the sentence is carried out, he has to deal with it.

[pixie374]

Yes, as I said, he may have things he wants to do in that time, anyway.

[Peter Pedant]

200 answers - you could predict the majority would be crazy

// I was also quite horrified to find out that people beheaded, often stay aware and conscious, for 3 or 4 minutes after.//

Quell your horror. This is Brown Sequard's idea in the late 90s ( 1890s that is! ) He paid convicts and said he would shout their names after the blade of Mme Guillotine had dropped. and Indeed a few flapped their eyelids
= conscious after DDDDDDEEEEEEEAAAATTTTTTHHHHh!

BUT The section is so high ( Mme Guillotine she no chop offa dee legs!) that it cuts thro the brain bits for consciousness, and the eyelids flapping are the result of a reflex ( knee jerk only higher)

[well its better than saying he should be put in a fridge sprayed with petrol and set alight as Others Think] nay demand

[Peter Pedant]

drug him
chemical imprisonment jesus I have just about heard it all

we havent had cocktail stick under the nails - flaming!
but I am sure I have set the idea - - - alight in someone's mind

[pixie374]

No, pp... it's because the brain is still oxygenated for a few minutes (which we already know). And many have made expressions or looked shocked after being beheaded. Probably... no pain.