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Women Need To Be Streetwise About The Powers Of Arrest And Learn Legal Process....apparently.
Is the criticism currently being levelled at Commissioner Philip Allott justified, or is he simply speaking common sense?
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I think few people, if confronted by a policeman would be sure of their legal footing. Seems like an example of victim-blaming.
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I think few people, if confronted by a policeman would be sure of their legal footing. Seems like an example of victim-blaming.
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danny - // Women need to be streetwise to a certain extent ... // And that statement simply adds to my argument. Why do women have to be 'streetwise to a certain extent', when men clearly do not? And is that acceptable? My point is that they should no more have to be streetwise' than any men, and that society thinks it's OK to confirm that they should, is what is wrong...
19:03 Sat 02nd Oct 2021
"There should be an immediate law that all women be allowed to carry pepper spray and allowed to use it if she is stopped by anybody she doesn't know."
It's much more likely than not that any woman stopped by copper will not know the copper - are you seriously suggesting they should be allowed to spray the copper in the face with pepper spray upon being stopped?
That's number 7 on my list of unfeasible suggestions.
It's much more likely than not that any woman stopped by copper will not know the copper - are you seriously suggesting they should be allowed to spray the copper in the face with pepper spray upon being stopped?
That's number 7 on my list of unfeasible suggestions.
If I am included in your reply, Vulcan you have slightly misunderstood me.
Sarah did think she was being arrested and may have complied thinking she had done something wrong and he was within his rights as a policeman.
At one time I would have done the same. If this were to happen to me now I would be far, far from compliant. I'd hope that my violent resisting of arrest would attract enough attention to save me or perhaps deter him.
Were he genuine for some reason and I was arrested for resisting arrest then so be it.
I agree with the rape alarm. A must now for every woman. My daughter will be pleased. In her teens I made her carry one of those little plastic pots of pepper if she was out at night.
Sarah did think she was being arrested and may have complied thinking she had done something wrong and he was within his rights as a policeman.
At one time I would have done the same. If this were to happen to me now I would be far, far from compliant. I'd hope that my violent resisting of arrest would attract enough attention to save me or perhaps deter him.
Were he genuine for some reason and I was arrested for resisting arrest then so be it.
I agree with the rape alarm. A must now for every woman. My daughter will be pleased. In her teens I made her carry one of those little plastic pots of pepper if she was out at night.
Being realistic, the likelihood of an incident like this happening again is very unlikely.
This doesn't mean that any of us can be complacent. My interactions with the police have always been positive and I have been treated with respect and courtesy.
Maybe my mum had a point about carrying a brick in my handbag.
This doesn't mean that any of us can be complacent. My interactions with the police have always been positive and I have been treated with respect and courtesy.
Maybe my mum had a point about carrying a brick in my handbag.
What concerns me about this idiot, is his attitude towards women, which simply underlines the attitudes towards women in society.
An innocent woman has been brutalised and murdered by a serving officer, and this buffoon is all but saying she asked for it.
In a wider contaxt, his attitude reinforces the ongoing attitude that it is women who are responsible for their own safety, and they have to wacth where they go, how they dress, the general uspoken provocations to the opposite sex that obviously shout out 'What are you waiting for - come on and assault me!!!'.
What should be happening, is a wholscale upgrade in the education of young men, who should be being taught respect and equality with women, and not the idea that they are 'after-it strumpets who work on your uncontollable urges, so it's not your fault'.
Women are always being told, and here we are hearing them being told again - you have to be safe, you have to be careful, you have to watch out ...
NO.
Men have to be tought repsect and restraint and courtesy and equality.
And no it is not up to a woman to 'protect' herself, it's up to you to see her an equal and treat her accordingly, and not imagine that by virtue of where she is and what she is wearing, she is fair game for your inclination to try a little light sexual battery.
Unless we stop this ridiculous attitude that rape is simple an occuptonal hazard for a woman walking alone at night, assault and rape and murder will continue, because we are not addressing the source and the cause.
Rape is not the result of women in the wrong place wearing the wrong clothing, it's the result of a society that does not encourage men to look at women as the same species as them with the same rights and protections they enjoy.
Start there, and stop making it womens' fault.
It never was and never will be.
Oh, and sack this idiot for perpetrating these horrendous attitudes over a radio station's airwaves.
He should not be 'withdrawing and apologising', he should be educated enough not to isssue such garbage in the first place.
An innocent woman has been brutalised and murdered by a serving officer, and this buffoon is all but saying she asked for it.
In a wider contaxt, his attitude reinforces the ongoing attitude that it is women who are responsible for their own safety, and they have to wacth where they go, how they dress, the general uspoken provocations to the opposite sex that obviously shout out 'What are you waiting for - come on and assault me!!!'.
What should be happening, is a wholscale upgrade in the education of young men, who should be being taught respect and equality with women, and not the idea that they are 'after-it strumpets who work on your uncontollable urges, so it's not your fault'.
Women are always being told, and here we are hearing them being told again - you have to be safe, you have to be careful, you have to watch out ...
NO.
Men have to be tought repsect and restraint and courtesy and equality.
And no it is not up to a woman to 'protect' herself, it's up to you to see her an equal and treat her accordingly, and not imagine that by virtue of where she is and what she is wearing, she is fair game for your inclination to try a little light sexual battery.
Unless we stop this ridiculous attitude that rape is simple an occuptonal hazard for a woman walking alone at night, assault and rape and murder will continue, because we are not addressing the source and the cause.
Rape is not the result of women in the wrong place wearing the wrong clothing, it's the result of a society that does not encourage men to look at women as the same species as them with the same rights and protections they enjoy.
Start there, and stop making it womens' fault.
It never was and never will be.
Oh, and sack this idiot for perpetrating these horrendous attitudes over a radio station's airwaves.
He should not be 'withdrawing and apologising', he should be educated enough not to isssue such garbage in the first place.
Police officers should only arrest in two's and preferably with one being female. This poor girl had no chance though as even if she did resist arrest he would've been stronger than her and overpowered her anyway.
No one should ever feel unsafe to go out on the street at night but most of us do and for reasons like this, Sabina Nessa and millions of other cases throughout history.
No one should ever feel unsafe to go out on the street at night but most of us do and for reasons like this, Sabina Nessa and millions of other cases throughout history.
I don’t know what the answer is Vulcan, which is why I said at 18.19 I don’t know what the answer is, I also said I wish I did know.
I do however know what the wrong answers are, which is why I know spraying pepper unprovoked into the face of a copper is a wrong answer.
Don’t get me wrong, what this animal did is utterly evil, but 99.9999% of coppers are not the same as this aberration of a human.
I do however know what the wrong answers are, which is why I know spraying pepper unprovoked into the face of a copper is a wrong answer.
Don’t get me wrong, what this animal did is utterly evil, but 99.9999% of coppers are not the same as this aberration of a human.
tigger - // No one should ever feel unsafe to go out on the street at night but most of us do and for reasons like this, Sabina Nessa and millions of other cases throughout history. //
I can only repeat my point - until we stop viewing women 'protecting themselves' because being attacked is simply an occupational hazard of being out at night, as unchangeable as getting wet when it rains, attacks will continue.
We don't need more 'protection' for women, we need more education for men!!!
I can only repeat my point - until we stop viewing women 'protecting themselves' because being attacked is simply an occupational hazard of being out at night, as unchangeable as getting wet when it rains, attacks will continue.
We don't need more 'protection' for women, we need more education for men!!!
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