27 Migrants Drown

[fender62]

so what will te powers on both sides of calais do now, probably nothing and some will say
tough luck to dead, you took a dangerous chance and died.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10238171/French-police-watch-40-migrants-launch-dinghies-UK-day-vowing-step-patrols.html

[davebro]

//and they can't just be forcibly prevented from coming.//

Yes they could with cross-border cooperation.

[Bobbisox1]

Most have family here, sorry I can’t buy that untitled

[Untitled]

It is not a question of me "allowing" naomi... we simply cannot stop all of them even if we employ drones and send in the navy... it cannot be done.

If you don't want people turning up in dinghies then they need more alternatives.

[davebro]

//The ones that do often have family here.//

Proof?

[Bobbisox1]

And will those families clothe and feed them? Untitled
And get them hospital treatment etc?

[ichkeria]

Most migrants believe it or not don’t try to get to the UK.
The ones that do would have various reasons: family, the fact that the UK is “the end of the line” with a sea border that’s tricky to cross but perhaps harder to defend, the likelihood perhaps that they’ve been told by some traffickers that post-EU it would be harder for the UK to “return” them (Priti Patel, ridiculously, claimed the opposite).
The UK’s “benefit” system that’s much talked of is actually nothing to risk your life in a boat for. However employment prospects would be greater than in France for example , which has identity cards and where it’s very difficult for unregistered people to get jobs.
Much easier here.

[Untitled]

A lot of them can work bobbi.

[burlyshirley]

Why can't they be 'forcibly prevented' though ?? When does it all stop, when there are more of them than us ??

[naomi24]

Untitles, I didn't expect you to answer my question - and I wasn't disappointed.

//If you don't want people turning up in dinghies then they need more alternatives. //

Why? They've no right to come here, they're in a safe place, there's no need for us to provide a route for them at all - or anything else.

[Untitled]

because it is not physically possible... too many over too great an area... even totalitarian regimes struggle to prevent illegal migration by force alone because it is extremely difficult... you'll get some but it's not the whole solution. If you think you can just beef up the border and stop them - all of them - from coming then you are living in a fantasy....

[ichkeria]

And the UK had white restrictive rules on families of migrants:
This is interesting

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/refugees-family-reunion-bill-hl/

[ichkeria]

Quite not white lol

[Untitled]

If you don't, then expect more dinghies naomi...

[naomi24]

Ichkeria, //The UK’s “benefit” system that’s much talked of is actually nothing to risk your life in a boat for.//

Had you come from the backward societies many of these come from you may think differently about a land of opportunity.

[davebro]

//too many over too great an area//

It's not that great an area - the shortest distance between France & our south coast, probably less that 50 miles of coast on the French side.

[naomi24]

Untitled, Why don't you want it stopped, untitled? Housing is in short supply, our education services and social services are under pressure, the NHS is buckling under the strain.... why do you want to add to that for no good reason?

[ichkeria]

Like I say, they can be told any old nonsense by smugglers, but the reality is it’s actually much easier to find work in the UK as an illegal than it is in many EU countries especially France and I’m sure that fact won’t not go unnoticed or unpublicised by those traffickers

[Stickybottle]

ichkeria
"I know I'm going to get mullered for this, but the only thought that ran through my head when I heard of the sinking was 'Meh'. "

Best answer in waiting I would have thought given the OP.
I am more likely to get "mullered" (any relation to "mullahed"?) for suggesting that in fact the streets of the south are far from "crawling" with migrants. That this is a humanitarian crisis primarily and that the UK, France and the EU should be working together to re-establish the safe routes for migrants/asylum seekers. Apart from anything else there'd be more chance of controlling it at source rather than closing our eyes to the reality of migration, which has always happened, and then sounding shocked when disasters like this happen. Or simply the channel fills with dinghies.

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Young fit fighting age males have plenty of nearby Arab countries to go to with the added bonus of the same religion they hold so dear
Or stay at home and fight for your own democratic society instead of joining someone elses for free

[ichkeria]

The government wants to spend eye watering amounts to build holding centres because hotels are a sensitive subject. It’s estimated that it would cost £100,000 per migrant to house then abroad.
Many of the plans in the new bill are at best useless.

[Prudie]

I don't believe they are so desperate they take the risk simply because I doubt most have any idea of the risk in the first place. It will look to them like a short body of water to cross but they won't have experienced the conditions of the freezing rough Channel in winter on any previous part of their journey.