Has H R H Got A Get Out Of Jail Free Card

[Stickybottle]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59857168

I wonder if he has rediscovered the ability to sweat ?
No doubt he is !

[Mozz71]

PP //Mozza - Prince Andie ( HRH himself) has contacted me and wants the AB 'naming police' to ensure that he is ALWAYS to be referred to as the Prince Andrew//

No sweat (allegedly)

[davebro]

So she got 1/2 million & on the face of it gave up any further action against anyone. But I'm not a legal eagle (not even a sparrow) - isn't there something about not being able to sign away certain rights? I'll let the lawyers sort it out!

[Peter Pedant]

yeah da inalienable rights ( am constitution)
other rights you can waive, or sell ( give up for moolah)

"gib me moolah - lots of it and I'll not sue" is one

[douglas9401]

This is one of the best yet.
Building quite a Wiki page.

[tomus42]

I'd say it's spoilt any chance of her winning a case against Andrew. It should do anyway, if legal agreements mean anything.

[Ellipsis]

Lawyers live in a different world to the rest of us. At present, two different sets of lawyers (I did enjoy Jim Carrey's movie about lawyers, Liar Liar - good name) draw two opposite conclusions from the same document. Who resolves it? The judge, hopefully tomorrow.

But as far as our Prince is concerned, the damage is done. His liars are now actively trying to use the deal drawn up between his convicted sex offender billionaire buddy and that buddy's broke and broken victim to argue "No case to answer". A pretty sad state of affairs if that's what you have to fall back on - "My mate Jeffrey did a deal that protects me!"

[tomus42]

However, it does tend to support Andrew's lawyers assertion that the woman is just looking for 'another payday'.

[Ellipsis]

Another payday for what?

[tomus42]

She's suing Andrew ellipsis, so she's obviously looking for another settlement..that's the argument.

[Ellipsis]

She's suing Andrew because she claims he took advantage of her while she was being sex trafficked by Epstein. If Andrew's defence is that Epstein did a deal with her on his behalf, that means he doesn't have to go to court, that hardly absolves him from guilt of what she claims! It may save him a few million quid, but the only way Andrew can really "win" this one, reputationally speaking, is for him to say "Bring it on, Giuffre, see you in court" ... and win. Not hide, or even try to hide, behind some deal done by a convicted sex offender mate of his.

Andrew's liars' strategy is a high risk one, because if this does end up in court after tomorrow, he's more likely to lose having attempted this defence.

[DTCwordfan]

Is he aware that in holding on to the title 'Prince Andrew, Colonel -Grenadiers,' the anagram is, 'On rewarding sardonic repellence.' How true this would be.

[andy-hughes]

I heard an American former state prosecutor give his opinion on Radio Four today -

He reckons that PA's legal team using the exclusion clause in the Epstein settlement is very risky, because it then connects PA directly with Epstein's crimes, something his legal team have been trying to deny since Day One.

Do they take the risk and offer it as his defence?

If they do, and as the expert advises is likely, the court take no notice, because the wording of the exclusion document is far too broad and non-detailed, something courts frown on, then not only is his defence blown, but he inextricably legally linked to a convicted sex offender.

Interesting times ...

[Hymie]

It would be interesting if it was to come to pass that Prince Andrew was found guilty – and was to pay damages to this woman (or even to pay her off without any admission of guilt); would she then pick on another high-profile individual for another payday?

If her account is to be believed, there would be many acquaintances of Epstein quaking in their boots.

[Mozz71]

A lot of Harvey Weinstein's victims signed non-disclosure agreements drawn up by The Weinstein Company's lawyers. They didn't hold up in court.

[Peter Pedant]

// I heard an American former state prosecutor give his opinion on Radio Four today -//

yeah the lawyer was there - one that it connects it to Epstein's case - and it struck me that Prince Andrew already was....( same girl same employer, same house and so on)

and the lawyer then said ( as an ex Fed prosecutor) that - - - he didnt know how the court would go

Mizz G knew what she was signing - a document which ended it for all time - and I hesitate to say - she was told to sign it as it cd be challenged....

[Peter Pedant]

// A lot of Harvey Weinstein's victims signed non-disclosure agreements// er this is not about a non-disclosure agreement

also the randy one's lawyers have done quite well so far.
They had to persuade a judge to re-open a sealed document on the grounds that the contents were relevant - - and the applicants werent supposed to know what the contents were....( coz they were sealed see)

[Peter Pedant]

this is much better than the av Beeb broadcast

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York#Allegations_of_sexual_abuse

[tomus42]

It will Just go to show what a crock of expensive *** legal agreements are if it gets ignored.

Andrew's guilt of anything is irrelevant to this question. It's about whether having accepted 500k and signed a document to say you agree that the condition of accepting the money is that you won't sue anyone else related to the case, should mean that you don't sue anyone else relating to the case or not.

Of course if she wants to give the 500k back and recind the original agreement (if that's even possible) then great, go for it.

[Ellipsis]

> Andrew's guilt of anything is irrelevant to this question.

I'd say it was at the heart of it. Andrew has already lost this case, and Giuffre has won, if the majority of people end up thinking he raped her and avoided being sued based on an agreement drawn up between a sex offender and his victim.

In fact, I wonder if use of this defence will make a criminal prosecution more likely, since this newly-public agreement and Andrew's use of it would be additional evidence in a criminal case.