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//Adele is accused of being 'anti-trans' after telling genderless BRITs she 'loves being a FEMALE artist' but legions of fans and PR experts praise her for 'standing up for women' during prime time slot on super-woke ITV//
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Good for her. Oops! Maybe I shouldn't have said that.
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Good for her. Oops! Maybe I shouldn't have said that.
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Havenread the whole thread yet... and obviously,there will be some denials about this, so make up your own minds.
Did you see this, naomi?
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Did you see this, naomi?
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Roy, transgender are attacking all women. I'm just going to randomly put this out there.
I have been studying this for around 30 years now- there is a big difference between transexual and transgender- and DON'T let anyone tell you any different. Psychology, motives and so on. But real-life always matters more.
I have two real problems- but ignoring those.
- I have 2 daughters, a granddaughter, a mum, female friends, I'm female.
And, all have the right to just be female and separate if they wish (legally too). They are by far, the most physically vulnerable group there is.
- Also, I have 2 sons, a grandson, a stepdad, male friends. And they have the right to be male, and just however they are, they don't need operations or "to identify" differently. They can just be different. And they also have every right to do that, without being beaten up.
I know a couple, at least, on here seem to entirely misunderstand me and think I am transphobic.
But I would say the opposite, let people be who they are, if it doesn't affect anyone else, without having to lie.
I have been studying this for around 30 years now- there is a big difference between transexual and transgender- and DON'T let anyone tell you any different. Psychology, motives and so on. But real-life always matters more.
I have two real problems- but ignoring those.
- I have 2 daughters, a granddaughter, a mum, female friends, I'm female.
And, all have the right to just be female and separate if they wish (legally too). They are by far, the most physically vulnerable group there is.
- Also, I have 2 sons, a grandson, a stepdad, male friends. And they have the right to be male, and just however they are, they don't need operations or "to identify" differently. They can just be different. And they also have every right to do that, without being beaten up.
I know a couple, at least, on here seem to entirely misunderstand me and think I am transphobic.
But I would say the opposite, let people be who they are, if it doesn't affect anyone else, without having to lie.
Good for Adele! I have to say at this point that I have never heard the song she's won a prize for, not do I know very much about her - but it's time we all (women) said this - which it never occurred to me to have to say in my life before. I'm female - I'm a woman! I'm happy like that, with all its hormonal problems. "I enjoy being a girl"! (there was a song about that in the -60's, lines about curling eyelashes I think, but who cares!).
Perhaps we (you know, us, real women) should wear a badge these days?
Very interesting point about J.K. Rowling and the poll.
Perhaps we (you know, us, real women) should wear a badge these days?
Very interesting point about J.K. Rowling and the poll.
I must say that if I saw a man stand up at a prize-giving and shout "I'm a man and proud" I'd be worried that he was one of those american "Proud Boys" types. I don't trust men who forcefully assert their masculinity: I suspect that they have issues about what they are, and issues about what they think women think of them. Maybe 'incels' or something.
Adele is just doing what ambitious young people do; making a racket to draw attention to herself, as are all the ones who oppose her.
Adele is just doing what ambitious young people do; making a racket to draw attention to herself, as are all the ones who oppose her.
Atheist - I've not thought this through, but your point is a fair one. However, I don't think that men as a whole have found themselves under this sort of attack. It's pretty horrible having to be defined as a 'child-bearing' parent or 'chest-feeder'. It goes right slap-bang to the depths of being a woman is all about. Then there is the whole issue of safe spaces.
I'm somewhat torn on this (certainly not black-and-white ---- am I allowed to say even that these days?). Pixie and some others know that a Godchild, who I love deeply, has had many years of struggle and is now transitioning from female to male. Well on with the hormone treatment and first surgery is not far away. I certainly have no quarrel with others in the same position who are genuinely mis-gendered. I do quarrel with having my gender identity put in doubt. I find this so hard - never thought I'd have to defend being female!
I'm somewhat torn on this (certainly not black-and-white ---- am I allowed to say even that these days?). Pixie and some others know that a Godchild, who I love deeply, has had many years of struggle and is now transitioning from female to male. Well on with the hormone treatment and first surgery is not far away. I certainly have no quarrel with others in the same position who are genuinely mis-gendered. I do quarrel with having my gender identity put in doubt. I find this so hard - never thought I'd have to defend being female!
jourdain, it's certainly a thorny issue and as a man I can't really appreciate what women think about all this. Is it right that the people on both sides of this 'issue' tend to be women? (I'm disregarding scornful men who like to stick their noses in when it comes to the right to enter Olumpic competitions etc). There's a quarrelsome mood around nowadays which wasn't there in my youth; I think it's the anonimity of the internet which allows bigmouths to bigmouth at will without regard for any come-back. Even on AB there is a whiff of '" say what I like and you can go get stuffed!"
It seems to be an unfortunate and increasing attitude in modern society, that to be heard stating one position appears automatically, and without any evidence whatsoever, to make you an enemy of another position.
I fail to see how Adele stating that she is proud to be female, can be interpreted as a slur on anyone who is not a female.
That's making an assumption of a view that Adele has not expressed, which is then turned into a weapon to beat her with over social media.
Someone looking to be offended by making a massive unfounded assumption caused by deliberately seeing an attitude that more than likely does not actually exist, is someone engaged in pointless and aggressive attention-seeking.
I am happy to believe that Adele is 'anti-trans', if and when she is directly quoted as saying that.
Until that happens, I have no reason to assume that Adele is anti-trans, or anti-anything, based on her assertion that she is happy about a simple fact of life.
I fail to see how Adele stating that she is proud to be female, can be interpreted as a slur on anyone who is not a female.
That's making an assumption of a view that Adele has not expressed, which is then turned into a weapon to beat her with over social media.
Someone looking to be offended by making a massive unfounded assumption caused by deliberately seeing an attitude that more than likely does not actually exist, is someone engaged in pointless and aggressive attention-seeking.
I am happy to believe that Adele is 'anti-trans', if and when she is directly quoted as saying that.
Until that happens, I have no reason to assume that Adele is anti-trans, or anti-anything, based on her assertion that she is happy about a simple fact of life.
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