Once Again We Have A Civil War In The Tory Party.

[ToraToraTora]

The 5C that want us to be ruled from Brussels v those that don't. Surely even they must see that if we tried to rejoin the conditions would be prohibitive even for them, there is no going back. Why are these pygmies so determined that we are ruled from our former enemies abroad?

[bednobs]

"But why would anyone want to be ruled by another country bednobs, I don't understand"
but that's not what i said. YOU may see being in the EU as being ruled by another country, but nearly 50% of people DIDN'T see it that way. Everyone wants what's best for our country, it's just that not everyone agrees on "what's best".
as i have previously said, i don't have a dog in the race - i didnt vote in the referendum because i fundamentally disagree with the concept of making decisions on behalf of people i already pay to make the difficult decisions for me, but i also fundamentally object to half the population being accused of aiding the "enemy" and being called pygmies because they dont agree with your view of the world

[ToraToraTora]

bednobs: "but that's not what i said. YOU may see being in the EU as being ruled by another country, but nearly 50% of people DIDN'T see it that way. Everyone wants what's best for our country, it's just that not everyone agrees on "what's best". But in the EUSSR we were ruled by an unelected commission. Who wants that?

[Gromit]

We elected MEPs. MEPs appointed the commissioners.

Commissioners were career politicians with a history of serving their country such as Leon Briton or Christopher Soames. In the UK parliament we appoint Ministers on the whim of the Prime Minister based on them being toadys and brown nosers.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "We elected MEPs. MEPs appointed the commissioners. " - yeah and after that they could do what they kin well liked!

[douglas9401]

I think Karen Dunbar's character says it best:

[bednobs]

the nation was split pretty much down the middle on the question of in or our; it's not surprising (to me anyway!) that the same is true of the parliamentary conservative party

[douglas9401]

You have to click 'watch on YouTube'.

[FatticusInch]

ToraToraTora
//Question Author gromit: "We elected MEPs. MEPs appointed the commissioners. " - yeah and after that they could do what they kin well liked!//

Pmsl, you mean like someone unlawfully proroguing parliament, covering up the Paterson scandal, making their own rules and breaking them, interfering with the publication of an independent report into governmental scandals, wiping off billions in Covid fraud, rewriting the ministerial code to cover future indiscretions , stuff like that, yes?
Please keep the comedy show going, it’s a laugh a minute today!

[Paul22118]

This is my take on the current situation..........
1. Boris should remain as PM and stay the course.
2. UK should remain outside the Eu and stay there.
3. Starmer should get a FPT but not resign, he's the best opposition the PM has. (sic)
4. Boris should support Ukraine with all we have.

[youngmafbog]

It doesnt have to be Civil war, if Johnson is to keep his position he must start implementing Conservative policies which got him elected. Stop the lefty green and so called woke nonsense and be a Tory.

Things like the massive tax burden which is crushing some families and the economy both of which are already hammered by the cost-of-living and fuel cost crisis.
He must:
Use the Brexit independence he helped win to cut regulations smothering businesses. a

Facie down the critics of the Rwanda deportation scheme for illegal migrants and making it work and reform the HRA to enable him tom do this.

He must recognise too that his woes are not ALL down to mid-term disaffection and "Partygate", cost of living, tax risies, green policies pushing up fuel costs and not implementing anything are all part of it. He must alos stop the arrogance, admit there are problems and layout his roadmap to sort them. Bring in a big gun to do it - fast.

He needs to reset the weak cabinet, get people in that will address the problems and most importantly deliver.

If he does all that, or at least starts he may survive.

[Gromit]

// 31st May: At least 9,566 people have crossed illegally in around 300 boats since the start of 2022. The number of people reported crossing is 2.6 times the 3,727 reported for the same period in 2021. //

The Rwanda plan will disperse 50 to Africa.

[ToraToraTora]

well the other week it was none gromit!

[youngmafbog]

//The Rwanda plan will disperse 50 to Africa.//

Thats irrelevant as I suspect you know.

This is to test the system and flush out the liberal elite lowlifes masquerading as pond life briefs.

Once its embedded then it can be ramped up.

[THECORBYLOON]

In May, there were 2,871 immigrants and ninety-six boats detected.

In June (up to the 5th), there were 377 immigrants and ten boats detected.

[Gromit]

// the other week it was none //

// In June (up to the 5th), there were 377 immigrants and ten boats detected. //

Crossings are weather dependent. If the weather is bad they don’t sail. If weather is calm, more come.

// Once its embedded then it can be ramped up. //

To remove 28,000 will cost £40Billion. Do we really want to spend that amount of money on this ?

[gulliver1]

Send Boris to Rwanda with the other immigrants after all he is an immigrant himself.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "// the other week it was none // " - I was referring to the 5C types claiming that no one would ever be sent to Rwanda.

[THECORBYLOON]

"A few days before the Rwanda thing was implemented there were hundreds in dingies. A few days after, none."

"if non come none will be sent to Rwanda. It seems that just the threat of it is enough."

Erm...

[Gromit]

Very timely. Just published

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-61719943