The Top Five From The Tory Members Poll

[youngmafbog]

OK, it's only a poll but would show a trend.

So, in the top five we have:
Penny Mordaunt, 19.6%
Kemi Badenoch, 18.68
Rishi Sunak, 12.11
Suella Braverman, 11.05
Liz Truss,10.93.

Well, my favourites out of those would be Suella and Kemi, both proper Conservatives IMHO. Penny would have been great but for the fact, like Sir Kier, she doesnt know what a woman is so its a big red flag for me that one. Rishi was a favourite of mine but with those taxes I'm not in agreement with his direction.

Thoughts?

[Gromit]

Has anyone ever heard of Rehman Chishti ?

I haven’t. He is standing for leader apparently.

[ichkeria]

I’m still waiting for Bill Wiggin to throw his hat in the ring :-)

He and Chishti had declared an interest bit so far Bill hasn’t come forward.
I can only assume this is a profile-raising exercise

[Ken4155]

I've never heard of Chisti, either, but the bookies give him the same chance as Shapps - 100/1.

[jno]

Chishti was appointed to the FCO last week.

[Untitled]

If you don't believe trans women are women (or trans men, men) then you don't really believe in their right to exist.

[ToraToraTora]

untitled: "If you don't believe trans women are women (or trans men, men) then you don't really believe in their right to exist. " - rubbish, it just means you don't accept that dressing up means you've changed sex.

[Untitled]

There is a difference between sex and gender.

[naomi24]

Nonsense untitled. They're just not what they profess to be - and wanting to be doesn't make it so.

[Untitled]

If you don't believe that trans women are (or can be) women then you don't believe they have a right to exist.

[naomi24]

untitled, You've said that twice but have yet to explain the rationale behind it. Start with telling us who said they have no right to exist.

[Untitled]

It's the undeniable outcome of saying they are not men/women. You would have to want them to be treated according to their chromosomes, against their wishes.

[drmorgans]

As you pointed out there's a difference between genetic sex, chromosomes, and gender, a construct.

[Untitled]

exactly. I know there is a lot more to being a man than simply being biologically male... when people say "be a man", they don't mean "grow a dick..." I don't check the genome of every man I meet - I look at him and treat him like a man if he looks like one. That is all that gender is...

[drmorgans]

And when she takes her daughter to the swimming pool she doesn't expect to see a woman dangling her tackle in the changing rooms

[naomi24]

No rationale behind it then, untitled. They simply want to be what they are not. They can imagine whatever they like, but if that fantasy intrudes upon other people's lives in any way at all, they shouldn't expect it to be acceptable. It isn't. Men aren't women and women aren't men. That's a simple fact of life.

[FatticusInch]

One can understand their confusion, especially when it’s one of their own.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-wearing-mini-skirt-and-high-heels-in-road-crash-court-told-12649926

[douglas9401]

That'll happen when you drive in the wrong gear. :-)

[Untitled]

Man and woman are not exclusively biological terms.

[aelmpvw]

those in charge have my sympathy, it must be a long complicated procedure when there isn't a suitable applicant for the post

[Ken4155]

Now one less;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/grant-shapps-pulls-out-of-tory-leadership-race-to-back-rishi-sunak-as-next-prime-minister/ar-AAZtv1H?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6195d89a63904314b7ec4019f9ef19b3