Tory Party Members ...

[Ellipsis]

... as you see more and more of Liz Truss on the telly, have you had your equivalent of the Kinnock Moment yet?

[Gromit]

Tory members have undoubtedly voted for the correct candidate - not the dusky coloured one.
When the results are announced there will be accusations that Sunak did badly because he is not white, and the membership is overtly racist.

[Paigntonian]

The Kinnock moment is wonderful. Only he could lose to John Major.

[Paigntonian]

Though I have to say that Kinnock's anti-Militant speech is one of the finest I've heard.

[Spicerack]

He was a good speaker. (ask Biden)
He seemed (to me) a very earnest, principled sort of chap with an engaging 'way' about him. (although I had little/no interest in politics at the time)
Don't know what 'went wrong' with him later on.

[douglas9401]

Pork markets and the cheese disgrace both proving that you can't fake sincerity.

She hasn't won yet though. :-)

[emmie]

just a matter of time though... neither candidate seem very able or forward thinking.

[Spicerack]

I'd prefer Sunak.

[emmie]

so would i in a way.

[diddlydo]

It's quite absurd that a few thousand members of the blue-rinse brigade can decide who is to be PM for the whole country.

[emmie]

180 thousand members i believe.

[emmie]

presumably you would prefer someone else, SKS perhaps...

[tomus42]

A few thousand is more than the number that decided who would be PM after Blair. That was just two, him and Gordon Brown. In a coffee shop I think it was decided.

[emmie]

and what a disaster that turned out to be.

[Spicerack]

Excellent point, tomus.

[emmie]

yes it is, at least the Tories didn't just hand the baton on.

[tomus42]

At the time I thought there should have been a GE but I've changed my mind since. We elect the party to govern, they choose their leader.

[emmie]

yes they do.

[Gromit]

I would much prefer the successor was known in advance than this 8 week farce.

[10ClarionSt]

Gordon Brown was not a disaster at all. He saved this country from financial meltown with his economic actions during the crisis in 2008. The Tories, or anyone else for that matter, would have done exactly the same. Brown saved your job, your bank account, businesses and other institutions. He received great acclaim from other foreign heads of state for being the first leader to take the appropriate action. But his reputation rests on one post-it that was left by Captain Darling after Labour had lost the election. People prefer the myth, or as Mark Twain said: don't let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[emmie]

he was a disaster for the country, most unpopular leader since i don't know when.