Suella Braverman Out As Home Secretary

[jim360]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/19/suella-braverman-departs-as-uk-home-secretary-liz-truss

Not yet confirmed by No 10, but if this is true then that's a massive shock.

[FatticusInch]

//But the second part of the letter expresses Braverman's "concerns" about the direction of Government.//

…..said the Home Secretary who claimed it was her ‘dream’ to see a flight take off to Rwanda?
You couldn’t make it up.

[jno]

357 of them maybe; the rest have not caused this mess, it's purely Tory mayhem.

[youngmafbog]

Come on jno, the whole lot are pretty useless.

If you think things will improve with labour then you are a bigger fool than I thought.

[jim360]

I wonder how much fun people will have with the passage in the letter:

"The business of government relies upon people accepting responsibility for their mistakes. Pretending we haven't made mistakes, carrying on as if everyone can't see that we have made them, and hoping that things will magically come right is not serious politics."

But that seemed to be a certain previous PM's entire approach to the business of government...

[FatticusInch]

youngmafbog
//ineffectual and incapable PM in recent history to stay on?//

/The problem is you only say that because that is what has been fed to you. /

….lol, aka the real and factual events that are being played out before our very eyes.
You need to stop the mushroom feeding too, it makes you look, well, we it’s rather obvious……

[Old_Geezer]

Reform should see improved representation after the next GE. Unfortunately we have to endure EUphile Tories in charge until then, then the EUphile Labour party in power.

[bednobs]

i wouldnt be surprised if she did it deliberately of course, to give her an excuse to put her backstabbing in "i made a mistake and it's the right thing to do" .... unlike you

[FatticusInch]

youngmafbog
//Come on jno, the whole lot are pretty useless.

If you think things will improve with labour then you are a bigger fool than I thought.//

Always someone else to blame isn’t there?

[jim360]

// The problem is you only say that because that is what has been fed to you.//

Nothing was fed to me. I came to that assessment on my own volition. I posted about my impressions earlier.

I agree that the market reaction to the mini-budget felt, to me, remarkably strong; but the fact is that a competent Government would have anticipated that, and would have prepared for that, and would then have been able to stick to its guns because they'd already won round their members to push the policy through. So, no. I wasn't "fed" anything. It was the most pathetically poor misjudgement in politics I've seen in my lifetime; and it was also eminently predictable, since, after all, even Sunak predicted it.

[bednobs]

surely it should be a race to the top, not who is least incompetent?

[naomi24]

This can’t go in. Plan B: Sack Truss, invite Boris back and chance calling a general election.

[naomi24]

*go on

[ichkeria]

A coup?
Ridiculous.
Let's have an election then
Other than it abides by the party's rules, there is nothing more or less legitimate about Truss's leadership and cabinet than other other multfarious concoctions we have had.

[jno]

ymb, I have no idea if things will improve under Labour, given that Tory toxicity is infecting all Westminster and cannot be cleaned up overnight.

All I know is that Labour have contributed nothing to the carnage. Only this morning ABers were remarking that Truss had emerged from PMQs looking unexpectedly strong and SKS had missed his chance. Clearly he recognised that you don't have to push a car that's already heading to the clifftop without any brakes.

[jim360]

I think your plan of bringing Boris back could only work *after* an election, not before. He had lost the support of the party, and I don't see how this chaos, from the only real continuity Johnson candidate, won't help him win it back. Maybe after the Tories get thrashed, and assuming Johnson keeps his seat, they can revisit him as leader.

[naomi24]

I disagree, Jim. The electorate didn’t oust Boris and he’s still the best chance of Conservative victory at a general election. I know that doesn’t sit well with his critics but I think it’s the truth. Without him there isn’t a viable leader among them. I think we’ve established that.

[ichkeria]

Except that Truss turned out to be anti-Johnson, in just about every way possible.
I agree though that bringhim back isn't going to happen. He caused 70+ resignations in his administration. Those people aren't going to bring him in again.

[FatticusInch]

Johnson will never be back in any capacity and be gone as an MP before the end of 2024 at the very latest.
You heard it here first!

[jim360]

I'm not disputing that from the pure frame of which Tory leader can garner any level of public support, Johnson's the man if you go to the Country *now*. Well, actually to an extent I *am* disputing that, because a Party is bigger than its PM, and why would anyone want to support the Tories after they've sacked their winning PM, spent three months to elect a new anti-Midas leader who lasted barely two months longer, and then ran back to the man whose reputation they'd trashed?

Plus, Johnson's popularity ratings around the country as a whole are not exactly stellar these days. Maybe he still appeals to the Tory faithful, but not many others currently.

It won't happen. Johnson maybe can make a case for being leader after the Tories lose, because after all he can legitimately point to this chaos and their subsequent implosion at the impending GE as arising after he was dismissed; but as far as I can see he will have to wait until after that loss to have a chance.

[jim360]

As a further point, even if Johnson is the "best chance" of Tory victory, I don't see how he can possibly be enough to swing it back from the current margin. So, if he wants to be PM, or party leader at least, again, I think his best strategy is to wait. Let Truss, or whoever replaces her, own the loss; and sweep in afterwards as saviour of the Tories.