Victimised

[gulliver1]

My thread pulled then, Because I said."How Bad The Tories are for Britain"

[naomi24]

I’ve no idea, untitled. Perhaps you should ask yourself why Labour isn’t popular and go from there.

[Untitled]

you believe i am missing something but have no idea what it is?

erm... ok naomi ;-)

[naomi24]

I didn’t say that, untitled. I said perhaps you’re missing something. Just a suggestion.

[Untitled]

sigh...

[naomi24]

Not my problem, untitled.

[andy-hughes]

The problem is the inbuilt short-termism that affects every government.

The short-term benefits of low taxation are immediate, and benefit the government with re-election.

That's why we are where we are - decades of living beyond our means.

The necessary tax hikes needed to get us out of the economic hole we are in are a death sentence for the government who implements them, because the benefits are long-term and the electorate does not look at the long term, only immediate gains or losses to their income.

That means that each government would love to raise taxes and actually solve the issues, but aren't because the opposition would win, and reap the rewards.

That's why we remain where we are.

Everyone acknowledges that we have lived on free money for far too long, no-one wants to take the steps to adjust our attitudes - namely that if we really want decent health/education/social care etc, then we have got to start paying for it.

And paying a lot, now.

Hands up any party who will take that on as a policy ...

[Untitled]

I agree andy-hughes... there is little comfort in having a bit of extra money if there are no gp appointments or the roads are in dismal shape or public transport is a joke or the disabled cannot get access the help they need.

i read somewhere that the uk electorate expects european-style services with american-style taxes... i imagine the assumptions are outdated by the sentiment is very true

[davebro]

// compare and contrast with the continuing prosperity of Norway who fed their profits into a sovereign wealth fund that still bankrolls them today ..//

The population of Norway is 5.5 million - of course their oil & gas money is going to provide more per head!

[andy-hughes]

Untitled - //
I agree andy-hughes... there is little comfort in having a bit of extra money if there are no gp appointments or the roads are in dismal shape or public transport is a joke or the disabled cannot get access the help they need.

i read somewhere that the uk electorate expects european-style services with american-style taxes... i imagine the assumptions are outdated by the sentiment is very true //

Wanting something for nothing is inbuilt in the British DNA, and successive governments have ridden their luck by giving it to us.

But that is a finite concept, and the time has come where the government income from taxation is simply not able to match its outgoing for services.

But as i said, the action needed is to make the electorate understand that their standard of living costs money, and they are not, and have not for a very long time, paying enough for it.

But getting that through, when it means an exit from government, will prove interesting.

[davebro]

//Hands up any party who will take that on as a policy ...//

And that's why we need a decent PR electoral system resulting in coalitions that CAN make those difficult decisions.

[naomi24]

Speak for yourself, AH. I’m British. Wanting something for nothing isn’t inbuilt into my DNA.

[ZebuSanctuary]

// something for nothing is inbuilt in the British DNA, //

Have you unwittingly put yourself in an invidious position?

Are there not those Britains who have a good work ethic? Those who work very hard in the pursuit of a goal, knowing that if you want something, you have to graft for it.

[gulliver1]

Ladybirder @ 15.32 + Bobbisox @ 15.37.
Sorry if my posts upset you pair.
Will you please accept my apologies