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ToraToraTora | 10:01 Wed 23rd Nov 2022 | News
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Supreme court judges rule unanimously that the holding of a referendum is a reserved matter and thus permission is needed from the UK government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-63701835
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You're at it again, Corby, and your constant stirring isn't helpful. Unlike the contributor who just joined us again and, once again, is no more, TTT is not a troll.
11:07 Wed 23rd Nov 2022
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roadman: "we need permission from the government to vote for a new government i do love democracy " - a Referendum is not a vote for a new government.
'Blackford: " it is right that we respect the decision of the court" - right oh! Then he sets out why Scotland should ignore it! hilarious!'

What did he say about ignoring the verdict?

If the Union is a voluntary arrangement, why is one of the parties not allowed to have a vote on leaving it?
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all the SNPers are whining in one after the other now! Hilarious, they keep going on about democracy yet they want to ignore the 2014 referendum!
what exactly are the westminster government going to do if the scottish administration simply prints their own ballots and go ahead anyway? because that's what they'll do.

i fear that this decision will lead to yet another crisis and the country has had enough of those.
Basically, untitled, Under section 29(1) of the Scotland Act 1998, Acts of the Scottish Parliament which fall outwith its legislative competence (or powers) are “not law”.
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untitled: "what exactly are the westminster government going to do if the scottish administration simply prints their own ballots and go ahead anyway? because that's what they'll do. " - it will be illegal and thus invalid.
I agree with Naomi that TTT is not a troll, perhaps a gullible sucker but not a troll. deffo. perhaps a crazy rhymester. ex rhymester, perhaps a penny wordsmith but not a drop of troll blood in him. love him!

the supreme court rule is here
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2022-0098-judgment.pdf

35 pages - happy reading - to those Abers who.....
can... summon up interest
If they or anyone acts beyond their powers, it comes down to THEM and not the organisation.
but we always really knew that
//they keep going on about democracy yet they want to ignore the 2014 referendum!//

In fairness the goalposts have moved since the 2014 referendum. Brexit, which the majority of Scots didn't vote for, has happened so I can see their point. That said, I think in leaving the UK the Scots would be doing their country a great deal of harm. They seem to think they're bigger than they actually are. Why they think that is not clear to me.
TORATORATORA, "they keep going on about democracy yet they want to ignore the 2014 referendum!"

"When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, madam?” or its variants have been attributed to various folk, including Churchill.

The vote took place prior to the Brexit vote, a vote in which a majority of those voting in Scotland voted to remain in the EU.

As the facts changed since the 2014 vote, why should folk who might have changed their minds since then, not be allowed to demonstrate that?

Give them the vote and MAKE THEM abide by the result.
John Maynard Keynes before him ( mind change)
or Mr spock
i understand that it would be illegal but they couldn't just ignore it surely
o god the judgment is un-readable
//Politically and legally correct result.//

Agreed. The puzzling thing is why the Scottish government was given permission to take the question to court in the first place.

//what exactly are the westminster government going to do if the scottish administration simply prints their own ballots and go ahead anyway? because that's what they'll do.//

They don’t need to do anything at all – except deduct the money it cost from their weekly stipend.

Unfortunately the ridiculous devolution arrangements introduced by the Blair administration have given the minor nations of the UK delusions of grandeur. Not satisfied with the devolved matters of which they have been given control, they now take to court an argument over a matter that was clearly reserved for Westminster. I happen to believe that (a) the Scots should be granted a referendum – just to shut them up and (b) that it will result in a vote to remain in the UK (which I think is a pity) - because most Scots know on which side their bread is buttered. I don’t know why the rest of the UK – especially the English – are all that fussed about maintaining the Union. There is certainly nothing in it for England except a bill.
NJ, it's phrases like

minor nations/delusions of grandeur,
just to shut them up,
nothing in it for England

Which encourage undecided Scots that independence might not be such a bad thing, but perhaps that is your intention



NJ, why do you think the Supreme Court should not have accepted the Lord Advocate's referral?
//Which encourage undecided Scots that independence might not be such a bad thing//

Fingers crossed - but only if they really carry through with it!

(Damn savages...)
//they keep going on about democracy yet they want to ignore the 2014 referendum!//

In fairness the goalposts have moved since the 2014 referendum. Brexit, which the majority of Scots didn't vote for,

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They would have left the EU in 2014 if they had won the independence vote.
"They would have left the EU in 2014 if they had won the independence vote."

Where did you get that claim from?

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