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We Shot Ourselves In The Foot.
Residents living in Londons Brexit heartland have admitted they didn't know what they were voting for, and things have gone downhill ever since They voted in overwhelming numbers to leave the EU. Havering (London)
Voted 96,000 for Brexit and 42,200 to stay. The majority who voted out have now admitted they got it wrong and if they were given the chance again they would vote remain........Lets get Brexit undone.....
Voted 96,000 for Brexit and 42,200 to stay. The majority who voted out have now admitted they got it wrong and if they were given the chance again they would vote remain........Lets get Brexit undone.....
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It is true. A lot of voters did not understand the consequences of Brexit and now regret it. I suppose they may let us back in if we apply in ten years time.
06:53 Tue 16th May 2023
//...or do you think it's succeeded?.//
My one requirement of Brexit was that the UK left the European Union and its main tools of influence over the UK - in particular the Customs Union and the Single Market. Little else matters so far as I am concerned so in that respect it has been entirely successful.
I've never really expected much of our politicians; mainly a bunch of charlatans and chancers who talk a good talk and that's about it. I believe whatever the UK achieves it achieves despite their activities not because of them. With one or two notable exceptions their heart has never really been in Brexit and that, coupled with an obstructive Civil Service and it it's unsurprising that no great strides have been taken. But we are no longer an EU member and that's the most important thing.
My one requirement of Brexit was that the UK left the European Union and its main tools of influence over the UK - in particular the Customs Union and the Single Market. Little else matters so far as I am concerned so in that respect it has been entirely successful.
I've never really expected much of our politicians; mainly a bunch of charlatans and chancers who talk a good talk and that's about it. I believe whatever the UK achieves it achieves despite their activities not because of them. With one or two notable exceptions their heart has never really been in Brexit and that, coupled with an obstructive Civil Service and it it's unsurprising that no great strides have been taken. But we are no longer an EU member and that's the most important thing.
If I may pivot from ‘Brexit has caused all of our woes’, I’d say the root cause of our current woes (the boat people aside) was the disastrous decision in 2020 to unnecessarily lockdown and to pay people to sit on their backsides.
I remember as though it were yesterday saying it was a mistake and we’re storing up trouble for the future, and was routinely called a Covidiot, a granny killer and a few other things.
I hate that I’ve been proven correct.
I remember as though it were yesterday saying it was a mistake and we’re storing up trouble for the future, and was routinely called a Covidiot, a granny killer and a few other things.
I hate that I’ve been proven correct.
//When did he say, "the UK should have remained."?//
It doesn't appear that he said that and I doubt he ever will. Like me, Mr Farage was fundamentally and philosophically opposed to this country's EU membership. It's scandalous that the government has not taken advantage of it but that's certainly no reason to suggest we should never have left.
It doesn't appear that he said that and I doubt he ever will. Like me, Mr Farage was fundamentally and philosophically opposed to this country's EU membership. It's scandalous that the government has not taken advantage of it but that's certainly no reason to suggest we should never have left.
And yet there were many on this site, and some still are, who were wholeheartedly in favour of the purdah we endured, and didn’t/couldn’t see the problems we were storing up.
They were looking at the short term because they didn’t possess the ability to look at the long term, which in of itself is a worry for adults.
The Govt successfully scared them, they mindlessly bought into the fear, and didn’t give a second thought for the consequences.
It’s the approach to the pandemic why I will never be able to forgive Johnson, and not Brexit.
They were looking at the short term because they didn’t possess the ability to look at the long term, which in of itself is a worry for adults.
The Govt successfully scared them, they mindlessly bought into the fear, and didn’t give a second thought for the consequences.
It’s the approach to the pandemic why I will never be able to forgive Johnson, and not Brexit.
//Gulliver at 21:45
\\Question AuthorSuella Braverman calls for less immigration.
Saying, we can train our own HGV Drivers, Butchers and fruit pickers .eh .I will have a pint of what she's on////
I do recall back in the 40s and 50s when this country was not handing out benefits to all and sundry to the feckless and workshy we had a strong army of mainly women who thoroughly enjoyed their annual holiday on the hop farms of Kent. They enjoyed their annual reunion with old friends and family and WORKED and earned a bit of cash for their family. It was not only hops they picked but depending on the season fruit as well. Suella Bravermann has a very good point. They didn't need training and were happy to earn a crust without scrounging off the state because most benefits did not exist for the workshy then. They sure as hell did not have an over inflated sense of entitlement. Do you have a problem with that work ethic and pride?
\\Question AuthorSuella Braverman calls for less immigration.
Saying, we can train our own HGV Drivers, Butchers and fruit pickers .eh .I will have a pint of what she's on////
I do recall back in the 40s and 50s when this country was not handing out benefits to all and sundry to the feckless and workshy we had a strong army of mainly women who thoroughly enjoyed their annual holiday on the hop farms of Kent. They enjoyed their annual reunion with old friends and family and WORKED and earned a bit of cash for their family. It was not only hops they picked but depending on the season fruit as well. Suella Bravermann has a very good point. They didn't need training and were happy to earn a crust without scrounging off the state because most benefits did not exist for the workshy then. They sure as hell did not have an over inflated sense of entitlement. Do you have a problem with that work ethic and pride?
Nice to know that deskdiary, retrocop and I all feel much the same. At the time I was also vilified for arguing against lockdown et al. Then , I felt that healthy, young unemployed should be picking fruit etc. instead of immigrants. I still feel the same. Inertia has all but ruined Brexit. Inertia caused by highly-placed people. it can still be done properly. But I have no confidence in Sunak to do it.
Just to say we should be independent of European courts etc. somehow renders one right-wing nowadays. But we always were independent, we just want to keep that status.
The cheery thing is that the terms to rejoin would be so onerous that I can't see any sane person agreeing to them. :)
Just to say we should be independent of European courts etc. somehow renders one right-wing nowadays. But we always were independent, we just want to keep that status.
The cheery thing is that the terms to rejoin would be so onerous that I can't see any sane person agreeing to them. :)
Yep, fair enough TTT, he was being guided by the two doom goblins, both of whom were proven, repeatedly, to be wrong, but personally I wish he would have ignored their doom-mongering and their ridiculous scenarios, none of which came to pass.
We well and truly ballsed up Covid, despite some on AB absolutely loving it.
We well and truly ballsed up Covid, despite some on AB absolutely loving it.
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