Never Believe Anything Until It Has Been Officially Denied......

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-frontbencher-responds-to-sir-keir-starmers-eu-comment-backlash-12966978

So Rodders wants us back in the EUSSR - reminds me of a Beatles song!

[Togo]

//Then Johnson should have known the perfidious nature of the EU //

Oh, like most of us, I think he knew that. What he didn't factor in was the treachorous behavour and blocking tactics of our very own civil serpants(which was what I alluded to as you well know). He will regret that, as do most of us with any rational reasoning ability, because the delaying strategy nullified the advantage of enthusiasm. We now have the likes of Mr Excitement himself slithering back under the stone of Franco German rule behind the cover of the Office for Budget Responsibility. (OBR)THey would decieve us with the false notion that "ceding power to anonymous, unelected bureaucrats is seen as a responsible thing to do. It is the opposite. Democratic institutions are not a foil against bad governments, but they do make sure bad governments can’t stick around. As soon as one fails, it has only until the next election before new people with new ideas win an election and take over. In an institution like the OBR, in which there is no way for the people who suffer as a result of poor performance to hold those who perform poorly to account, bad governance can last indefinitely." That is why we voted to leave the corrupt ponzi scheme. 

With thanks to Brian Morris @ Briefings For Britain.  

[JDavis]

 TTT,

Advertisers can be fined for making false claims. Isn't that unfair because they might have believed it at the time?

 

 

 

 

[ToraToraTora]

JDavis: "Advertisers can be fined for making false claims. Isn't that unfair because they might have believed it at the time?" - yes they can and that they are being fined for knowingly making a false claim. That's not the same as a belief, intention, hope, opinion etc. Is it? I didn't think I'd be giving English lessons today. Anyway now you have a better idea of what a porky actually is, see if you can find an example.

[JDavis]

What did this treachery consist of, Togo?

[JDavis]

TTT,

So how can we prove their deliberate false claims yet not do the same for Johnson who, as you obviously know, has a whole history of lying, sorry, having mistaken beliefs? 

[Togo]

The full panoply would be a bit too complicated for you to understand I'm sure, but think sabatage, intransigence, reluctance, and bad faith to be going on with. 

[ToraToraTora]

"So how can we prove their deliberate false claims yet not do the same for Johnson who, as you obviously know, has a whole history of lying, sorry, having mistaken beliefs? " - by testing the product and verification but usually the producer has done that anyway. Advertisers are in a real strait jacket they are very aware of the rules and transgressions are rare these days. Not really a valid comparison. You and others keep saying that BJ has a history of lying yet never seem to be able to give any examples just woolly attempts that are anything other than lies.

[naomi24]

Why on earth is everyone going on about Johnson?  It's Starmer who's had a 'Don't tell 'em Pike' moment.

[douglas9401]

The definition and examples of lies are pointless in the face of a geezer blokes stubborn fannyry.

[JDavis]

That's not giving specific instances, Togo. But thank you for sparing me the full panoply.

 

[ToraToraTora]

I'm quite happy withh the dictionary definition:

Lie: "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth. "

note the word "intentional".

[JDavis]

Easy enough to google, TTT.  Hell of a lot of mistaken beliefs from one person.

[ToraToraTora]

So no actual lies then?

[THECORBYLOON]

'During Prime Minister’s Questions on 20 April [2022], Boris Johnson said there are “more people in work than there were before the pandemic.”

 

This is false.

 

The latest figures show there were 32.5 million people in work in the UK in the period between December 2021 and February 2022, 600,000 fewer than the pre-pandemic peak. This is a fall in the employment rate (the proportion of people aged 16 to 64 who are in work) of 1.1 percentage points to 75.5%. 

 

It appears that the PM was referring to the number of payrolled employees which is around 500,000 higher than it was prior to the pandemic. Later during Prime Minister’s Questions he used these figures correctly. 

 

However, this figure does not cover all people in work, as Mr Johnson suggested, as it only includes employees. It excludes people who are self-employed, the number of which is 800,000 lower than before the pandemic.

 

Full Fact first wrote about the Prime Minister making this false claim back in November 2021. He has since repeated the claim eight times in Parliament, and failed to correct the record on any of these occasions. 

 

Mr Johnson also made the claim during media appearances, as did other MPs and ministers in Parliament. 

 

In February, the Director General of the Office for Statistics Regulation wrote to 10 Downing Street calling the Prime Minister’s use of the statistics “disappointing”.

 

The Chair of the UK Statistics Authority has also written to Mr Johnson, saying his statements are “likely to give a misleading impression of trends in the labour market.”'

 

When Boris Johnson repeatedly cmadevthose claims, was he not making a,"false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth."?

[JDavis]

Good example there, Corby.

[ToraToraTora]

18:43, who?

[naomi24]

No, he was talking about those in paid employment - in other words 'in work'.  

[THECORBYLOON]

As the Director General of the Office for Statistics Regulation believed Johnson's use of those statistics was,  “disappointing”, does that not indicate they were misleading?

 

To repeatedly make the same misleading claim indicates it was done deliberately and was an "intentional untruth".

[naomi24]

Perhaps the Director General has always been an employee.  People who aren't are not on anyone's payroll.

[Gromit]

Kuesnessberg's 'State of Chaos' recent documentary detailed the fall of Kabul to the Taliban. There were thousands of Afghan people who had helped the British, who could be killed by the Taleban.

In the event, the first evacuees were thousands of stray dogs and one man - Pen Farthing. Boris always denied authorising that, but the Min of Def and the Foeign Office knew the truth. He did prioritise a group of mutts over brave Afghans who were left behind. Pen Farthing had Boris' personal email, and got him to agree to get him and the hounds out.