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ToraToraTora | 10:46 Mon 06th Nov 2023 | News
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https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-mutilated-charred-remains-bear-witness-to-the-extreme-barbarity-of-militant-attack-13001153

I assume you'll dismiss this from sky but there were beheaded children: "From a beheaded child to a man who was shot, stabbed, burned and then run over, a dedicated forensics team is confronted with the horrendous, stomach-churning injuries inflicted by the insurgents, as they work to identify the Israeli dead and bring closure to their families."

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I have seen posts on here which border on apologists for Hamas, and which make me sick to my stomach- one user even called them "freedom fighters."  Perhaps those who hold these murderers and terrorists in such high regard would do well to take a look at themselves. 
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mozz; "15:12 That begs the question, How do you know they support Hamas if they haven't come clean about it? " - have a day off, all they do is criticise Israel the victim never the aggressor, a blind man can spot the tacit approval. The left wing generally support terrorism anyway so its only a small step.

hi tora

hamas were elected 17 years ago and about 65% gazans are aged 25 or younger... it isn't correct to say that hamas were elected by the people the IDF is slaughtering 

Untitled- "if the british and other allies did deliberately target civilian structures for the purpose of killing and terrorising german civilians en masse... i think that was an evil thing to do and if i was around then i would have said so"

But this is a completely false premise- the purpose of Israel's attackson Gaza, as you know, are nothing to do with intentionally killing or terrorising Palestinian civilians- it is about completely destroying Hamas.  For weeks now, Israel have been telling Gazans to get out of northern Gaza, yet thousands remain.  Hamas are using them as human shields.  But I think you know this.

"When Hamas embed themselves in civilian populations, and the civilians don't head to the Rafah crossing, there will be massive numbers of innocent people killed."

the rafah crossing was only opened recently and is overwhelmed... there is no other way out and israel are bombing the areas of the gaza strip that they tell people to flee to

Ah, and there is the reveal. What it really is is your hatred of the left driving you to accuse all and sundry of being terrorist supporters. 

As you were. Nothing to see here.

"the purpose of Israel's attackson Gaza, as you know, are nothing to do with intentionally killing or terrorising Palestinian civilians"

sorry hazi i don't agree. i think they're using this as an excuse to commit genocide. 

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mozz: "Ah, and there is the reveal. What it really is is your hatred of the left driving you to accuse all and sundry of being terrorist supporters. " - no it's not but it's usually the left that support the terrorists, that's just a fact nothing to do with what I think about them. What I find unfathomabale is why the left always criticise the victims rather than the nasties, be it Hamas or the IRA. 

Which is made even worse in my opinion  because they were victims of genocide themselves.  And now treating others in the same way.  

Why are some people constitutionally incapable of coming to terms with who the aggressor was in this situation?  Hamas (terrorists) attacked and terrorised, brutally murdered innocent civilians in Israel, and are currently holding men, women and children hostage.  To suggest that Israel's offensive in Gaza is "genocide" is absolutely insane.  If you want to know what genocide looks like, look at Hamas.   If that doesn't suit you, perhaps the Holocaust.  Hamas knew what they were doing and are reaping what they sowed.

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stableford, bang on, it amazes me too.

the fact that hamas did an evil thing does not entitle israel to commit genocide stableford.

the head of the IDF's spokesman's unit rear admiral daniel hagari has told numerous sources that the goal of the IDF's bombardment is "damage and not accuracy". they are not conducting precision bombing and have said so several times.

http://web.archive.org/web/20231022083603/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/11/inside-gaza-entire-neighbourhoods-flattened-hamas-israel/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza

a source who would not be named in the IDF said that they intended to reduce Gaza to a city of tents... meanwhile an israeli lawmaker has called for nuclear weapons to be used on gaza

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/city-of-tents-israeli-defence-official-vows-every-building-in-gaza-will-be-destroyed-in-ground-manoeuvre/news-story/203242e24af1dd4757e0250001e7ed8a

on october 28th prime minister netanyahu also referred to hamas as "amalek", a place in the bible in which the israelites were commanded by god to kill all the women and children. it isn't hard to see what he was getting at.

Again I say I don't support Hamas or Israel.  I just fear for the innocents in all this.  I have never denied there were atrocities and I'm not left wing.  I lean to the right somewhat but not the far right bigots. You are so narrow minded TTT.  Everything in black or white with no shades of grey.

i must confess i am a bit of a lefty so guilty as charged on that one lol. but my position on this is very simple... genocide is always wrong even if it is done by our allies.

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15:42, we would not be having this conversation if Hamas had not attacked on 7/10. End of. It IS as black and white as that.

Nothing to be guilty of Untitled.  We all have our own ideas about politics.  I have friends and relations and we all think differently, but we all get on.  We may sometimes argue but no nastiness at all.  We are civilised grown ups!

All very well, but Israel are not, nor will, indulge in genocide.  Unlike Hamas, whose stated objective and online goal is to eliminate the Jews – which is clearly a genocidal fantasy.  

Buts it's not a conversation with you TTT.  It's about calling people names who don't agree with you and thinking you are always right. Hamas started this present war, but as I said before it was brewing and in my opinion mainly because of Israels behaviour. 

^And around we go again. "Oh it's Israel's fault Hamas committed genocide"

There's an awful lot of 'Yeah but no' going on here.  

lottie - leave them to it, they are really not worth it.

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