Possible Good News For Uk People Who Have Second Homes In France.

[Atheist]

https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/French-senate-backs-automatic-visa-right-for-UK-second-home-owners

 

[Togo]

They need the money. Spain does too. 

[webbo3]

Watch the rest of the EU follow.

[Atheist]

"Philippe Bas (Les Républicains) then spoke in the name of Senator Berthet to support her ‘automatic’ visa right for British second-home owners.

Senator said Berthet amendment is 'best of the three' 

“This is the best of the three amendments because it’s the most targeted,” he said.  

“It’s the one that’s the least wide and open and so doesn’t give rise to the risk of creating a big splash [he said appels d’air meaning events which cause a change, good or bad]. It is just for British people who own a second home in France.

“Generally-speaking they didn’t have anything to do with Brexit, but Brexit has punished them. They must be able to come to France and make the most of their second homes and spend their money.”"

 

[New Judge]

I see trouble ahead.

France is part of the Schengen area. The EU controls access to and from that area. Anybody given an extened visa to visit France effectively has a visa for an extended say in any Schengen country. Unless, of course, France is considering abandoning its membership of Schengen as some member nations have been closing their borders recently.

I wonder if France's Lords & Masters in Brussels are on board with this proposal. 

[Togo]

As I was saying  ... "They must be able to come to France and make the most of their second homes and spend their money."

Haha on their arrises without "Treasure Island". 

[Atheist]

MJ. France's parliament will no doubt be looking into all these matters.

[Atheist]

NJ, sorry, I should not have said "MJ"

 

[New Judge]

MJ. France's parliament will no doubt be looking into all these matters.

Whether they look into them or not, the issue is insoluble. If visitors to France are granted visas which provide greater access than usual, that access will be available to all of the Schengen area. Unless. that is, all of France's neighbours operate border controls with France or France has plans to confine those granted with the special visas just to France. Good luck to them with either of those.

[Togo]

Spain is also planning similar arrangements Judge. Italy will follow suite very soon. We have starved the eeyooors out. 

[THECORBYLOON]

NJ, "If visitors to France are granted visas which provide greater access than usual, that access will be available to all of the Schengen area."

Not according to this, which applies to the current position for those with a long-stay visa or residence permit.

'15 I have a valid long stay visa/residence permit for a country that is part of the Schengen area. Do I need another visa to travel to other Schengen states? 

No. A long stay visa or a residence permit issued by a Schengen State allows you to travel or stay in other Schengen States, ***while respecting the maximum duration of a “short stay” (a stay of "90 days in any 180 day period")'.*** [emphasis added]

www.eeas.europa.eu/sites/default/files/frequently_asked_questions_en.pdf

[New Judge]

Yes, I've read about tat, Togo. I'm still puzzled how it will square with the Schengen rules - unless the EU is planning to make a relaxation across the entire area for UK citizens.

Of course it would be nice if, when offered the extended visa, UK citizens told them to shove where the sun don't shine.

[New Judge]

Not according to this, which applies to the current position for those with a long-stay visa or residence permit.

Well it would be interesting to see how that would be enforced. The border between the UK and France is controlled and, especially when ETIAS is introduced, all comings and goings will be logged. No problem then for the UK 2nd homeowner (2HO), provided his record is appropriately tagged, when he overstays his 90/180 permission.

The borders between France and its EU neighbours are not policed. So there would be nothing to stop 2HO from spending all of his extended stay elsewhere in Schengen.

Surely the EU will not trust those treacherous, wretched heretics from Perfidious Albion to stick to an agreement, will they?

[Atheist]

NJ;

"Of course it would be nice if, when offered the extended visa, UK citizens told them to shove where the sun don't shine."

I really don't understand your remark. Why would I refuse an extended visa? Do you have personal experience of visiting France or of being a second home owner?

[Peter Pedant]

common sense sweeps the chambre des communs ( or senat?)

I really doubt it.

Property in France - remember you need two wills - forced inheritance of everything except a third ( le tiers part)

[gulliver1]

Don't know what the fuss is all about .Immigrants don't need a second home to go to the UK . They are allowed in with no paper work no passports and have second five star hotels all paid for .

[Atheist]

gulliver; could you please stay on thread?

[gulliver1]

Atheist 21.43... Please note ....I am on thread .

[tomus42]

Spain have done a similar thing. It doesn't really benefit Spain or France to kick out all the British retirees spending their pension over there instead of here.

If NJ is wrong about their Brussells masters not letting it happen, I'm sure he'll report back in a while and say he was wrong.

[New Judge]

I really don't understand your remark.

Well, UK citizens were treated as every other "Third Country" after Brexit (which is the EU's prerogative). Pragmatism would have told them that second home owners bring a fair bit to many EU member nations, but idealogy triumphed. Nothing wrong with that. Their club, their rules.

But having done that it now seems that many countries have realised that folly, want the lost income, so have relented. Had I been a second home owner I'd have told them to shove it and spend my hard earned elsewhere. 

I rarely agree with Socialist views, but Corinne Narassiguin, a Socialist representing Seine-Saint-Denis, a Paris suburb known for its high-rise estates and large immigrant population, exposed the apparent hypocrisy of the move:

"“Now we have this amendment to come to the rescue of British people who own property in France. We can see that for Les Républicains there are really ‘good and bad’ foreigners,” she said.

“The bad ones are those who want to have a family life, who work in France and pay their social charges, but on the other hand those who have financial assets and, for that matter, often make house prices rise and make it harder for a lot of French people in a lot of areas of France – these are good foreigners, who we don’t ask to speak French so as to come to France with long-stay visas. At least you are consistent.”

[tomus42]

//If NJ is wrong about their Brussells masters not letting it happen, I'm sure he'll report back in a while and say he was wrong.//

If that's the comment you don't understand I'll explain it. You are relentlessly anti Brussells and have said that they won't let countries under their control do this sort of unilateral decision making. I don't expect you to admit it if it turns out you're wrong.