Time To Sack These Agitators?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-67867273

If the money is so She ite why pick that career? get a job you like instead of holding the unwell public to ransom. Disgusting tools should be ashamed of themselves. Impose the already generous rise and fire those that don't go back.

[jno]

what have you got against arithmetical accuracy all of a sudden?

[jno]

What rise did you get?

lol - was it Monty Python who proposed that when anyone is interviewed on TV about pay strikes, their own pay should be shown on screen? Perhaps something like that should be enforced on AB?

[jno]

...jno: £0 per hour. I haven't earned anything for the best part of 20 years.

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, "All they do is work out the hours they do and quote an hourly rate. It may be arithmetically accurate but they are salaried NOT hourly paid."

Why does the Government quote an hourly rate in their argument then?

In the BBC link, the Doctor works an average of forty-eight hour a week which equates to 2,496 in a year.

What hourly rate is that for salaries of £32,000 and £37,000 a year?

 

[tomus42]

The hatred for the people that actually make our society work - healthcare workers, teachers, the people that pick up and take away our crap for us etc etc  is unbelievable.

Good luck to the bankers, politicians, and wealthy retirees if they're left on their own.

[ToraToraTora]

They are not making it work they are on strike trying to extort 35%. People are waiting for operations that get continually postponed. They already had 10%. This is political they think they can get the upper hand.

[tomus42]

Which workers deserve > 35k in your opinion ttt?

[Ellipsis]

> Well is there is a shortage after that then market forces will push up wages naturally

There is already a shortage ... so why isn't market forces pushing up wages naturally? It's because the market isn't natural.

[ToraToraTora]

00:13 most salaries are the result of supply and demand. If you have a skill that is in demand it commands a higher salary. The quoted £32-37 is for doctors in training (who gets paid whilst in education? I didn't) they get much more when qualified. This is about politics with a side order of greed.

[tomus42]

//This is about politics with a side order of greed.//

And what have any of your pay rises ever been about? Gimme a chuffin break.

[ToraToraTora]

00:28 well I have had many years with no rise and even when I did it was noting like the 10% they've already had let alone the 35% they are trying to extort. I have never needed to strike or be in a union I have never negotiated at pay rise time, I get what they give me, sometimes nothing. I rely on my own skills and ability to get a job I like. They should try that.

[THECORBYLOON]

TORATORATORA, "The quoted £32-37 is for doctors in training (who gets paid whilst in education? I didn't)"

Were you educated for an average of forty-eight hour a week?

Were you educated at weekends and during the night?

Are there many jobs where trainees should not expect to be paid whilst learning what to do?

[jno]

TCL, I believe 48 hours is a minimum rather than an average.

[tomus42]

That's great then tora. Thank you for your service. You have every right to serlag off the doctors.

[Untitled]

maybe we should just have one extremely skilled doctor for the whole country. we can pay whoever it is hundreds of millions per year. 

[douglas9401]

Who gets paid while in education?

Everybody who ever trained for a job, even under employed mainframe specialists.

[Redhelen72]

Isn''t part of the argument that they work far more than 48 hours up to 72 with frequent weekend, late night working and no recompense or time of in leu

[Mozz71]

I can't help but wonder if this is Tora's hatred for unions driving his narrative rather than for medical types in general. I blame Arthur Scargill.

[ToraToraTora]

Yes I hate Unions with a passion of course after what they did to the country in the 60s/70s. I have also never understood how any self respecting person would go on strike. Are you skills so un marketable you can't get another job. If pay is the issue get a higher paying job, I just don't get it.

[Mozz71]

Alternatively, pay people a decent wage based on their skill sets, and strikes won't be needed.