So Lets Crucify Another Copper For Trying To Do His Job.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502539

So he shot a known criminal in a stolen car.

[ToraToraTora]

" used to carry knives all the time as do many people." - But he was caught and prosecuted and jailed so he was not carrying a knife legally, ie as a chief or a circus knife thrower. You asked about his criminal record that I just said he was jailed and don't jail you for missionary work. Why do lefties move heaven and earth to defend low life criminal scum?

[pastafreak]

I think anyone who commits a crime deserves a trial...whether a so called 'known' criminal, or a cop who shoots someone in the head.

[Barsel]

So they don't know how to shoot tyres, they only know how to shoot someone in the head. I can't read the 2 links without paying but I did read he was unarmed.

Some of our armed police seem to be going along the lines of shoot first ask questions later.

[Redhelen72]

You keep saying I am a lefty - can I start saying where your political leanings lay?

[pastafreak]

I guess all defense lawyers are lefties.

[ToraToraTora]

12:52, read the BA

[pastafreak]

"Some of our armed police seem to be going along the lines of shoot first ask questions later."

Like I said...American justice. Something I'm deeply ashamed of even though I don't live there anymore. 

[royfromaus]

 Barsel

So they don't know how to shoot tyres,

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Bonkers.

 

[ToraToraTora]

12:53, Sure, knock yourself out. Funny you seem more disturbed by being called a lefty than the "friends of criminal scum" accusation.

[Barsel]

So he drove his car into a police car? I thought he must have driven into a policeman.

So a known unarmed criminal drives his car into a police car and so he deserves to be killed? Right. 

By the way TTT don't ever call me a lefty as I have no political leanings whatsoever.

[Barsel]

Roy, sorry I don't understand your post. Are you calling me bonkers?

[Redhelen72]

I just laugh and pity your silly accusations of 'friends of criminal scum'

[Mozz71]

Someone is shot and killed. I'm assuming that there'll be bodycam footage that will go a long way in showing whether it was justified of not. Are you suggesting Tora, that this, and similar incidents shouldn't be investigated, and if deemed necessary, prosecuted?

 

For the record, I don't like the name of anybody facing charges being released, whether they're plod or not. If they're found guilty fine, but not until then.

[ToraToraTora]

barsel: "So he drove his car into a police car? I thought he must have driven into a policeman." - yes and he was then trying to drive the car at the police officers, that's when one of them jumped on the bonnet and shot him

"So a known unarmed criminal drives his car into a police car and so he deserves to be killed? Right. " - The FA officer did not know what he had at the time but he was "armed" with the car as a weapon. Not a question of deserving to be killed but a case of an avoidable death if the guy has not tried to kill police officers

"By the way TTT don't ever call me a lefty as I have no political leanings whatsoever." - Well I'll not call you a lefty if you stop doing lefty things like defending criminal low life scum. Deal?

[royfromaus]

I'm saying bonkers to the idea of shooting the tyres...spend time shooting tyres could get you killed.

When criminal scum are driving round in a car linked to firearms, it is best to assume the occupants are armed...that's if you value your own life.

Also if you are a criminal driving around in a car linked to firearms, it is probably best to comply with police instructions...if you value your own life.

I know plenty of wannabe gangsters and will raise a glass if one of the *** gets shot by police.

[ToraToraTora]

mozz: "Someone is shot and killed. I'm assuming that there'll be bodycam footage that will go a long way in showing whether it was justified of not. Are you suggesting Tora, that this, and similar incidents shouldn't be investigated, and if deemed necessary, prosecuted?" - Well no doubt the CPS have examined that and decided to prosecute, but as we know the CPS is full of Lefty lawyers who could not get a proper job, who base their decisions on some sort of diversity quota. So white male middle aged copper shoots black man ticks all the boxes on their hate list. Anyway the same evidence will now be used in court so we'll see what the jury think.

[bednobs]

and yet in a story posted by you earlier in the week, you wanted it to be a criminal offence that prison guards committed while trying to keep on of their prisoners safe.

it appeared they were also just doing their job?

[Redhelen72]

//as we know the CPS is full of Lefty lawyers who could not get a proper job//

Must tell my brother in law that one - my brother in law, ex copper, ex investigator for HM Customs and ex undercover officer!

[Mozz71]

So perhaps you think that plod should be above the law? 

 

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // mozz: "Someone is shot and killed. I'm assuming that there'll be bodycam footage that will go a long way in showing whether it was justified of not. Are you suggesting Tora, that this, and similar incidents shouldn't be investigated, and if deemed necessary, prosecuted?" - Well no doubt the CPS have examined that and decided to prosecute, but as we know the CPS is full of Lefty lawyers who could not get a proper job, who base their decisions on some sort of diversity quota. So white male middle aged copper shoots black man ticks all the boxes on their hate list. Anyway the same evidence will now be used in court so we'll see what the jury think. //

Only the last sentence of your post actually makes sense.

But we have all been on this roundabout many many times.

You have your own particular view of the rightiousness of summary justice, and you have opined it many times.

I, and others, have responded with the simple fact that, regardless of someone's history, they are entitled to a trial under due process.

The notion that the gentleman concerned was 'trying to kill a police officer' is an interpretation, and that is proof in law.

That means that all involved, the deceased, and the officer, are entitled to have evidence presented before a jury.

The only problem is, if, and it remains an 'if' until the jury decide, that the officer is guilty of murder, that is scant recompense for the individual he shot and killed.

A little more analysis of facts, a little less bulling up of media puff that supports your point of view, and little more objectivity in terms of the rights everyone enjoys, that make us a civilsed society, and we could stop pointless exchanges like this.