So Lets Crucify Another Copper For Trying To Do His Job.......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502539

So he shot a known criminal in a stolen car.

[ToraToraTora]

13:16 I don't think this really compares with that does it?

[andy-hughes]

roy - // Should cops let criminals shoot first? //

Absolutely, as long as they take it in turns, and let the criminals shoot first as well.

That't only fair.

[pastafreak]

TTT 12:53, Sure, knock yourself out. Funny you seem more disturbed by being called a lefty than the "friends of criminal scum" accusation.

Isn't that one and the same to you?

[bednobs]

errr yes by your definitions.  she was also a known criminal

[Barsel]

TTT //Well I'll not call you a lefty if you stop doing lefty things like defending criminal low life scum. Deal?//

As I don't know what a lefty is but that they defend low-life scum, I can't make a deal.

You seem to think everybody makes opinions by whatever party they support. Wrong.

I make my own opinions and believe everybody, no matter who they are, deserves to be tried if they commit an offence.

 

[Redhelen72]

//You seem to think everybody makes opinions by whatever party they support. //

He really has it wrong where I am concerned then!! lmao

[ToraToraTora]

barsel: "You seem to think everybody makes opinions by whatever party they support. Wrong." - no I don't, the position in the political spectrum tends to indicate general beliefs that show themselves in opinions in subjects like this.

[Barsel]

As I said, I make my own opinions and have no idea what the beliefs of others are.

[Mozz71]

Tora, in the midst of your continued attacks on anyone who disagree with you, you've failed to inform us of what you would prefer done in these circumstances?

[ToraToraTora]

13:43, it needs to be more clear cut for the officer to be charged with murder. In this case there is too much mitigation. The guy was trying to kill them with a car, the officer took his chance to remove the threat to himself and others. All this will do is limit those willing to do the job when one incident like this could land them in jail. This copper no doubt has a family etc and their lives have also been turned upside down by a known criminal. I'm not asking for them to be judge dredd but the authorities should look at the balance of the situation and not be too trigger happy in prosecuting a copper for trying to do a difficult job. The problem is the plod is committing the worst imaginable crime already by being a white male middle aged bloke and copper to boot. This looks very political to me.

[Redhelen72]

hmmmm interesting - no mention of the police man having to jump onto the bonnet of the vehicle to safe his own life

https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/statement-read-out-opening-inquest-death-chris-kaba

[chelle7272]

It seems unclear as to whether or not he was driving at them so how about letting due process take it's course before judging wither party...

https://thecritic.co.uk/chris-kaba-and-the-rush-to-judgement/

[wolf63]

I heard/read something the other day about this and other similar incidents.

It seems that in the past maybe 200/300 officers were looking to join the firearms officers each year.  This year there have only been 10 who have volunteered.

It is right that each incident where a firearm is discharged by a police officer should be investigated. 

But I feel that whatever way they currently investigate takes too long and is far too stressful for the officers concerned. 

This incident boils down to whether the officer concerned felt that his life was seriously at risk.

I am 99% pro-police, but they are human and make mistakes and some of them don't play by the rules.

 

 

[andy-hughes]

TTT - We have all been on this roundabout many many times.

You post another in a neverending list of OP's which confirm that crimninals - especially criminals of colour - are defended to the hilt by the system - all white and left wing of course - and an 'innocent' person is being 'crucified' in the process.

Then the more reasonable among us respond by suggesting that - in no particular order -

Your sources usually media, which has an interest in whipping up interests that chime with its readers' attitudes, have incontravertable knowledge that the charged is guilty, and really a trial should be a rubber stamp that puts him or her away for life.

Anyone who doesn't agree with that must be versions of -

A 'lefty' (baseless slur)

A 'namby pampby liberal' (another baseless slur)

Someone who neither cares nor understands - even close to the way you do of course - how difficult the police's job is, and how split-second decisions have to be made, with life-altering, and sometimes life-ending consequences.

In fact, all the people who respond, and I am one of them, and have done this countless times, is suggest that the process of law, which makes us a civilsed society, has to be followed, and will be followed.

This will mean a trial when evidence, as opposed to media puffing, will be presented, and the issues considered properly under due process.

Until then, the charged individual remains innocent, as does the 'criminal', although in this case, that situation is not possible, because he is dead.

A fact over which you take goulish and oft-expressed self-righteous pleasure, which then stokes up others who feel the same way, to pile in and agree with you, naturally  generating a 'Best Answer'.

The truth is, if you believed a little less in a media that has a vested interest in pandering to your right-wing obsessions, and understood a little more, that the law protects and rules all of us, as it absolutely should, and you waited for justice to take its course, then you would not be moved to huff and puff endlessly on threads like this one.

Not everyone who points out simple truths is a bleeding-heart lefty, any more than your view makes you a cold-blooded heartless fascist.

Take a breath, have a think, and especialy, have a think before you post another of these, and we don't need to get on the roundabout again.

[ToraToraTora]

I am just concerned that a hard working copper and his family are being put through the wringer for the actions of low life criminal scum. My answer at 14:01 still applies.

[andy-hughes]

TTT - // I am just concerned that a hard working copper and his family are being put through the wringer for the actions of low life criminal scum. //

You have absolutely no idea if this officer is 'hard working', he could be the most corrupt criminal in the force, so let's not make assumptions based on your rosy view that police officers must be wonderful, simply because they are police officers. Recent events do not support that naive perception, you know that as well as I do.

[Mozz71]

14:01. You've clearly filled in a lot of the blanks yourself there Tora. If an internal investigation finds enough discrepancies to make things less cut and dried, as this one has, shouldn't it go forward for a court of law to decide?

 

It doesn't matter what race those involved were. It doesn't matter if the copper has a wide and kids at home. It doesn't matter how it might affect police morale. It doesn't matter if the victim has go previous or not. If there are enough grey areas in the investigation to cast doubt on it, then it should go to court.

 

You say because the victim is black and the plod white middle aged, it seems political, would you not also agree that those are the main factors for you to put your anti-woke hat on and call foul? 

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - For a namby-pamby, left-wing, tree-hugging, white, middle-class, police-hating, black-loving, white-hating, criminal defending idiot, you make a pursuasive argument!!!!!

[ToraToraTora]

So now all coppers are murdering sex offenders by default! Right oh!

Despite recent bad apples I still think most coppers are hard working careerists, often doing a difficult job so forgive me if that is my default until I know otherwise. On the other hand a proven criminal is shot whilst trying to kill others and the lefty screens of the land are pebble dashed with organic peace porrige!

Lets wait for the jury decision, I predict not guilty.

[maggiebee]

Who needs a trial, judge and jury when we have AB?