Old Sins Cast Long Shadows.

[sandyRoe]

I guess they'll be safe from justice as long as they stay in Israel or the USA

https://news.sky.com/story/arrest-warrants-issued-for-israeli-pm-netanyahu-and-former-defence-secretary-gallant-over-alleged-war-crimes-13257801

[Mozz71]

You know how annoying and pathetic it is when non whites call anyone criticizing them "racist". Many people here are getting that way with their constant accusations of antisemitism.

Israel's leaders are murderer.

Hamas are murderers.

 

Who started it doesn't really matter after all this time. Especially for the dead on both sides.

[ToraToraTora]

19:11 the difference is that Hamas went out to murder civvies deliberately. Israel hve not targetted non terroirists, sure they have been heavy handed at times but it's fundementally different to what Hamas did. 

[naomi24]

Uppermost in my mind in all of this is what happens if Hamas triumphs?  That, in my opinion, is what everyone should be considering .... and if that can be done without  using emotive language, so much the better.  We can look forward to a civilised discussion.

[Mozz71]

"Israel have not targetted non terrorists"

A reported 30,000 women and children might disagree. They may not have targetted them, but they've made little effort in avoiding them.

[ynnafymmi]

@19.11.None of this chatter on Answerbank would be happening if the Hamas terrorists hadnt started this ***-show on 7th October last year mozz.It is they,and they only,who have blood(mainly of their own people)on their hands.Only them.

[ToraToraTora]

Mozz 19:17 ....they are all victims of Hamas, they'd all still be alive if hamas stayed home on 7/10/23. End of.

[Mozz71]

Ynna, and if you honestly believe that, you're letting your hatred of muslims rule any ounce.of rational thinking you're capable of.

 

Hamas started this stage of the war. Yes. 

They needed punishing, violently. Yes.

Does this give the Israeli army a free reign to commit mass murder of innocent Gazan civilians. I think this is where our answers differ.

[ToraToraTora]

mozz: "Does this give the Israeli army a free reign to commit mass murder of innocent Gazan civilians. I think this is where our answers differ." - they are no though, that's the difference. The civvies are not targetted.

[douglas9401]

On the plus side though it keeps many, many people on both sides and beyond in employment.

[Mozz71]

19:32.

I refer you back to my 19:17 statement.

[ynnafymmi]

@19.29.Where have i showed any hatred for Muslims Mozz?

[Mozz71]

In the same way you consider any anti-Israel statement to be antisemetic, I'm guessing that any statement you make justifying the mass killing of innocents to be antimuslim. 

 

Sure, Hamas is evil and must be stopped, but there must be better ways of doing it.

[naomi24]

How?

[ToraToraTora]

19:38 I refer you to my 19:28 statement.

[ynnafymmi]

@19.44.Where have i showed any hatred for Muslims Mozz?

[Mozz71]

I don't know Naomi, I'm mot a military strategist, but tens of thousands of dead women and children isn't acceptable.

[Mozz71]

Well, it seems like we're going round in circles here. I've answered both Ynna and Tora, but nothing new is forthcoming. So I think I'll have some supper instead. 

 

[CrapatCryptics2]

Why not Putin, Aleksandr Lukashenko, Kim Jogn un, Xi Jinping,

Hibatullah Akhundzada, the list is endless of tinpot dictators.

[ynnafymmi]

But you havent answered me Mozz,where have i shown any hatred for Muslims?

[naomi24]

Mozz, Hamas  slaughtered Israelis - men women and children in cold blood on 7 October and still hold around 100 hostages including small children - that's if they're still alive. They hide in plain sight among the general population in residential areas, they are Islamic extremists, their declared intention the utter destruction of Israel to be replaced by an Islamic state.  I really don't know how Israel is expected to respond to all of that but God help the western world if they succeed - because as sure as hell Allah won't.