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[Little Willy]

Lets just say that in 1945 Hitlers germany had won the war,would this country be any worse off,would we have blacks killing each other in cities,would we have muslims trying to kill us on the bus and on trains,would we have an open door to every piece of low life in the world to come and take advantage of whats on offer,
the reason i ask this is because my grandmother said to me that if my grandfather knew what this country would become he would have gone to prison rather than have fought the war.

[sp1814]

MrBen

None of the children who have thus far been shot are immigrants.

I also don't understand how their religion has anything to do with it???

"Its wrong that the laws are changed to suit certain religions"

I challenge you to name me five laws that have been changed with regard to religious sensitiviies.

I can't even think of one!!!

[jno]

so what rapists have been getting special treatment , MrBen? Black ones? Jewish ones? Bulgarian ones? Facts please.

[samuel23]

If Germany had won the differences would be ~ we�d all be speaking German, we�d be living under a totalitarian Nazi governed state, there would be no ethnic diversity, as anyone not a WASP would be enslaved, deported or dead. There would be no need for students to worry about fees, because everything would be state run, there would be no free thinking, no human rights issues because we wouldn�t have any, the state would control almost every aspect of your life. There would be massive investment in new technologies, there wouldn�t be any problem with the animal rights brigade as they would be the ones being experimented on, we�d all be driving Volkswagens, sauerkraut would be the national dish, there would be a return of the death penalty ~ and talking of penalties ~ our football team would be the envy of the world. However, the Axis power wasn�t only Germany was it? The Italians and the Japanese would be having their say, and then what about China? Do you think they would sit back and wait for them to become the next occupied nation? Err NO I don�t think so!!
So the result of Germany invading Britain, winning the war and ruling Europe wouldn�t be quite as cut and dried as one might think.

[mankymonky]

I don't think Dr Hook (Cleric Abdul Hamzel) would have spouted his rubbish and many scroungers wouldn't be here but fascism is as cruel, ignorant and user friendly as Islamism and all the other ism's, common sense should prevail above all others and this letting all and sundry in to this country is bringing more crime, more violence and is making the locals feel threatened. The British people are being pulled on every pathetic name-calling incident, yet these invaders can say what they wish as long as it doesn�t include the words 'beheading and bombing'. This situation as got completely out of hand and the lame people in charge of this country should be replaced by people who don�t mind breaking eggs this lot of greedy cowards are wearing this country to it�s knees.

[Kathyan]

So if Germany had won the war samuel123, 'the state would control every aspect of your life'? Isn't this what we have with this Government?

[mankymonky]

Kathyan,,, well pointed out....Play it again Sam...

[samuel23]

Kathyan ~ This isn't a political debate, and this isn't the correct forum for this kind of discussion. I don't want to hijack Little Willy's thread. He was asking what this country would be like had Germany prevailed and I answered, although somewhat tongue in cheek with some of the statements.
However ~ answer me these questions before you start whinging about this country and it's percieved democratic status.
Do you have the right to choose the party that runs the country?
Can you work in the industry that you choose?
Do you decide where to spend you wages?
Do you have a choice of whom you want to marry?
Do you have the choice of which religion you want to follow?
Can you drink alcohol if you want to?
Are you allowed to have as many children as you want?
Do you have the freedom to travel outside of this country?
Stop being so naiive and start to realise that we have to have laws and even if you don't like them they are here to stay, without them this country would devolve into free for all anarchy. We don't have aparthied, religious intolerance,
or bigotry forced on us by our government.

[MrBen5]

Hmmm, jno. The rapists that get special treatment are all of the them. They get put in a seperate wing. If they are 'visitors' they get put in hotels whilst the 3 years of investigating gets carried out. Then, they just get released or deported. The others just get maybe 2 or 3 months sentence for destroying womens lifes.
Its like at the moment, all the do-gooders are whimpering because the government wants to reduce the age limit of carrying a gun to 17 (which i totally agree with) so they can impose stiffer sentences.
If germany had won the second world war, we would all be implanted with micro chips now, which would be a good thing. Hitler had some great ideas, but some were a little extreme too.
If there was another war, you can bet the winners would create a society where people are made to be tolerant and where they must live by the laws of the land. If they break those laws, then they must pay the penalty, whatever that may be. There would be no special treatment just because they whimper or start playing any race card. I have always said that if you go to different country from your own, then you should have to live by their laws. If you dont want to live by their laws, then dont go their.
Can you imagine the uproar in the middle east if i went to move there and i built a strip club and a pub and a casino...

[willowman]

How about the requirement to wear a crash helmet on a motor bike? Am I correct in saying that Sikhs don't have to wear helmets?

[sunnyday2d]

little willy.

i like your reasoning.

[sunnyday2d]

sp1814

you certainly put forward a good and
reasoned argument.

[NJOK]

Willy, haven't I seen your grandmother on the Catherine Tate show?

Good on your grandfather though. Putting his life on the line to rid the world of a regime that persecuted and demonised people of different races, beliefs and orientations.

And now your grandmother is demonising them herself and complaining that this country isn't persecuting them enough. Someone needs to have a chat with her I think.

[Supernick]

"a little extreme". I think that genocide on a scale that we can barely even think about is slightly worse than a little extreme.

For all of those who think we'd be better off under the flag of a nazi state and are slagging off our government, I presume you'd quite enjoy living in a society where your anti-government views might result in some stormtroopers bursting into your house and making you 'disappear'.

[sp1814]

MrBen5

I beg you - can youi please tell me what you think the link is between immigrants who 'come here' and the question - which refers to British children who shoot each other, and other young Brits who blow up other Brits?

By the way, writing things like "Hitler had some great ideas, but some were a little extreme too" doesn't really do you credit sir.

[MrBen5]

Hmmm, well sp1814 , if you learnt history at school and read up on hitler, some of the things he did want to impose were good ideas. I in no way support him. I think all people should be treat equally, no matter what colour, religion, etc.

In response to your question about immigrants. Well, i dont know where you live but if you lived in England and you are aware of your surroundings, then you can clearly see that a lot of serious crime is carried out by 'visitors'.

[Fingerprint]

MrBen5 - Either the comments you are making are not meant to be seriuos or they are incrediby ignorant and racist. Do you know any immigrants?

[Lonnie]

From a personal perspective, if Hitler had won, I wouldn't be here, all my relations and ancestors would have been murdered, and if by chance, I had been born, my daughter, who is severely mentally handicapped, would be killed.

[MrBen5]

Hmmm, well done fingerprint. You have proved a point i have been trying to make for ages.
As soon as someone speaks their mind, they are labelled racist, ignorant, narrow minded, etc, etc. Its no good playing the race card with me. I have many friends from different backgrounds.
I dont support hitler.
Regarding the immigrants, i dont recall calling them. I said 'visitors'. Most (not all) who come over dont want to adapt to our way of life, and wish to live like they did where they come from. Its pathetic...

[sp1814]

MrBen5

I'll spell it out...

The people referred to in the question aren't visitors.

The people referred to in this question are Brits.

However, re-reading the question, it would appear the Little Willy is also blurring the lines too.

Please remember when talking about 'blacks and Asians' to develop an understanding between immigrants and British people.

It just muddies the water to lump everyone with together.