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Why are successive governments ruining this country with their immigration policies?
With remembrance Sunday approaching I wonder if the men that fought the last war feel as if they shouldn't have bothered in the light of the country being given away to virtually anybody that wants to walk in.
Just what is the thinking behind this outrage?
Why are parts of the country and certain whole towns overrun with people that are SO FAR removed from the culture of this country?
Just what exactly are the benefits of immigration?
Of course you can't say this without being called a racist, but It's not racist, it's culturist and I'm not apologising for that.
It has now gone so far that it is irreversible but it seems as if the powers that be just want to make sure.
We might as well have lost the war, we couldn't have been in a worse state than we are now.
Just what is the thinking behind this outrage?
Why are parts of the country and certain whole towns overrun with people that are SO FAR removed from the culture of this country?
Just what exactly are the benefits of immigration?
Of course you can't say this without being called a racist, but It's not racist, it's culturist and I'm not apologising for that.
It has now gone so far that it is irreversible but it seems as if the powers that be just want to make sure.
We might as well have lost the war, we couldn't have been in a worse state than we are now.
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4. Just what exactly are the benefits of immigration?
You need to read a book called 'Tescopoly' by Andrew Simms. He quotes figures (from the US) which states that the overall cost of first generation immigrants is $3,000...but the next generation actually gives back (over a lifetime) about $80,000. I don't have figuers for the UK, but from what I see, there's nothing to suggest that the figures would be wildly different.
I won't mention the fact that inner city 'food deserts' would be much worse than they are without self start-ups by immigrant businessmen. Also, you know in this country, when the elderly become too much of a pain for their families to look after? Well, it's the NHS doctors and nurses who shoulder the brunt of care. Did you know that 50% of NHS nurses are from abroad?
Sooo...two of the benefits of immigration are a) you don't have to think about your parents and b) you can be sure that when YOU get sick, you have an immigrant whom you feel so bad about, to look after you.
5. Of course you can't say this without being called a racist, but It's not racist, it's culturist and I'm not apologising for that.
You're CERTAINLY not a racist. You're just pheonemonally ignorant of the world around you. That's not racism. It's a minor branch stupidity. No-one's going to have a go at you for expressing ignorant thoughts.
At least your spelling it top notch. I admire that.
6. We might as well have lost the war, we couldn't have been in a worse state than we are now.
Oh yes we could! We could have the BNP in power.
We're in the lucky position that the majority of young people today are a lot cleverer than those of the 1970s.
You're CERTAINLY not a racist. You're just pheonemonally ignorant of the world around you. That's not racism. It's a minor branch stupidity. No-one's going to have a go at you for expressing ignorant thoughts.
At least your spelling it top notch. I admire that.
6. We might as well have lost the war, we couldn't have been in a worse state than we are now.
Oh yes we could! We could have the BNP in power.
We're in the lucky position that the majority of young people today are a lot cleverer than those of the 1970s.
One other point...I hope those who are worried about the change in "Britain's character" boycott Tescos, Sainsburys, Asda and all the other large supermarkets...coz - you know those English strawberries you're eating? Well, there'sa jolly good chance they've been picked by casual immigrant labour.
You are boycotting them aren't you?
No?
Wow...wonder why.
You are boycotting them aren't you?
No?
Wow...wonder why.
Without immigration, most of my life would crumble around me. I wouldn't be able to travel to work, do my shopping, I'd lose several high profile clients, a couple of my friends would not be here, and the girl I'm trying to date would not have existed because her mother would have been sent back to China.
In short, it would be rubbish.
In short, it would be rubbish.
The benefit's of immigration?.....yes there are lots of benefit's for immigrates all round!
And immigration will only slow when these 'hand outs' are shelved. We might as well re-name britain to "Willy Wonkers World of Chocolate" hell it's a free for all!
Chocolate coated Labour it isn't, inside or out!
And immigration will only slow when these 'hand outs' are shelved. We might as well re-name britain to "Willy Wonkers World of Chocolate" hell it's a free for all!
Chocolate coated Labour it isn't, inside or out!
I cannot believe that there are so many leffties on this site, me thinks there are many who have a vested interest judging by their answers.
Take sp1814 for example, we know he is a Gay Black guy, nothing wrong with that, but because of this he is obviously totally bias on certain subjects. He also thinks he is a comic, but each time he tries to be funny, he only amuses his mates in the lower form.
Take his latest regarding the letter box ??? dismal to say the least, but still it gives China a chance to titter. The vision is of the school clown whispering a joke into the ear of another, and then running round the play-ground in hysterics.
No to get back to serious debate, I think if one was to conduct a poll on the present situation this country has found itself in due entirely to immigration, the outcome would be very different from the majority views aired on AB.
Speaking for myself and most people I know of my age, this country was a better place to live after WW2 before mass immigration than it is today.
I say this to all those that were not around at the time, don't just take my word for it, ask those who lived through it. You cannot just read about it, you have had to experience it.
Take sp1814 for example, we know he is a Gay Black guy, nothing wrong with that, but because of this he is obviously totally bias on certain subjects. He also thinks he is a comic, but each time he tries to be funny, he only amuses his mates in the lower form.
Take his latest regarding the letter box ??? dismal to say the least, but still it gives China a chance to titter. The vision is of the school clown whispering a joke into the ear of another, and then running round the play-ground in hysterics.
No to get back to serious debate, I think if one was to conduct a poll on the present situation this country has found itself in due entirely to immigration, the outcome would be very different from the majority views aired on AB.
Speaking for myself and most people I know of my age, this country was a better place to live after WW2 before mass immigration than it is today.
I say this to all those that were not around at the time, don't just take my word for it, ask those who lived through it. You cannot just read about it, you have had to experience it.
Wow that toasted tea cake must have given sp1814 indigestion, repeat, repeat, repeat, just like his latest post.
"We're in the lucky position that the majority of young people today are a lot cleverer than those of the 1970s."
Is that why an increasing amount are leaving school unable to read or write?
Just look around you the 50+ are in jobs and positions that most of the school leavers of today cannot hope to achieve. That is why so many hang around with no jobs these days.
"We're in the lucky position that the majority of young people today are a lot cleverer than those of the 1970s."
Is that why an increasing amount are leaving school unable to read or write?
Just look around you the 50+ are in jobs and positions that most of the school leavers of today cannot hope to achieve. That is why so many hang around with no jobs these days.
AOG
But why would you want to conduct a poll if so many of our young people are completely uneducated?
Wouldn't their views need to be igno...
Oh hang on. We're getting side tracked.
The core question is about immigration. Without immigrants, the NHS would collapse.
This is a matter of numbers.
Without immigrants, our pensions system would be in crisis - or rather a greater crisis than it is now. You have to remember that the number of immigrants claiming the dole/housing benefit etc is far outweighed by people like me who have never claimed a sausage in their lives.
We simply contribute more than we take out.
Frthermore, on November 12th, Kylie Minogue releases her new album.
This is something we should be concentrating on, rather than these petty squabbles...even if the first single off it is the worst thing she's ever recorded (apart from 'The Locomotion').
But why would you want to conduct a poll if so many of our young people are completely uneducated?
Wouldn't their views need to be igno...
Oh hang on. We're getting side tracked.
The core question is about immigration. Without immigrants, the NHS would collapse.
This is a matter of numbers.
Without immigrants, our pensions system would be in crisis - or rather a greater crisis than it is now. You have to remember that the number of immigrants claiming the dole/housing benefit etc is far outweighed by people like me who have never claimed a sausage in their lives.
We simply contribute more than we take out.
Frthermore, on November 12th, Kylie Minogue releases her new album.
This is something we should be concentrating on, rather than these petty squabbles...even if the first single off it is the worst thing she's ever recorded (apart from 'The Locomotion').
Although I didn't serve in WW2, I have been in the Army and was in N.I, 1st Gulf War, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan, a broken ankle stopped me being deployed to Iraq in 2003 so I think I'm qualified to answer your question.
These people who just want to walk in as you put it, are here for a reason, either to work and pay U.K taxes which benefits everyone in the U.k, or because they are being/have been persecuted in their own country and would be mortal danger if they returned. Either way, I don't think the service personell who fought in the last war would be bothered, remember that during WW1 and WW2 we had large numbers of Poles,Belgians, French,Dutch and German Jews etc who came over here to escape the Germans
These people who just want to walk in as you put it, are here for a reason, either to work and pay U.K taxes which benefits everyone in the U.k, or because they are being/have been persecuted in their own country and would be mortal danger if they returned. Either way, I don't think the service personell who fought in the last war would be bothered, remember that during WW1 and WW2 we had large numbers of Poles,Belgians, French,Dutch and German Jews etc who came over here to escape the Germans
Your military sevice is very commendable 4GS but I cannot see the link with this immigration problem.
"They are here for a reason", you say that is obvious but the reason is not so clear. "Some work and pay their taxes" that is good, but looking without those rose tinted glasses there are many here who are far from beneficial to this country.
"They have been persecuted in their own country and would be mortal danger if they returned". Why did they choose this country and not the nearest safe refuge?
Yes the Poles for instance did fight on our side in WW2, but after all it was us that declared war on Germany because of the Poles. And rather than welcome them after the war, there was the same problems as there is today ie taking our jobs, taking our housing, taking our women, and not talking our language, times do not change I'm afraid.
All races tend to be territorial, this is quite diffrerent from being racist, ask the Welsh.
"They are here for a reason", you say that is obvious but the reason is not so clear. "Some work and pay their taxes" that is good, but looking without those rose tinted glasses there are many here who are far from beneficial to this country.
"They have been persecuted in their own country and would be mortal danger if they returned". Why did they choose this country and not the nearest safe refuge?
Yes the Poles for instance did fight on our side in WW2, but after all it was us that declared war on Germany because of the Poles. And rather than welcome them after the war, there was the same problems as there is today ie taking our jobs, taking our housing, taking our women, and not talking our language, times do not change I'm afraid.
All races tend to be territorial, this is quite diffrerent from being racist, ask the Welsh.
sp1814 has the gall to let his sexuality and race affect his views.
That's like accusing a ex-miner of bias because he chooses not to vote Tory.
The person that we are does tend to shape our opinions, yes. Welcome to the world.
I'm sure your views are affected by the fact that you're an frightened old man who's unable to keep up with a changing world. It's the reason you resent other racial groups so much isn't it?
That's like accusing a ex-miner of bias because he chooses not to vote Tory.
The person that we are does tend to shape our opinions, yes. Welcome to the world.
I'm sure your views are affected by the fact that you're an frightened old man who's unable to keep up with a changing world. It's the reason you resent other racial groups so much isn't it?
Why did they choose this country and not the nearest safe refuge?
the U.K is an island, making it vharder to invade than France, so historicaly we have always welcomed refugees.
taking our jobs, taking our housing, taking our women
Where I live I hear the same argument about taking our jobs, this from people my age (mid 40's) who have never worked a day in their lives. They sleep up to 16 a houswe, so that's not really much housing being taken up. As for taking our women, well if British men don't know how to treat a lady can you blame them for falling for people who treat them with respect?
the U.K is an island, making it vharder to invade than France, so historicaly we have always welcomed refugees.
taking our jobs, taking our housing, taking our women
Where I live I hear the same argument about taking our jobs, this from people my age (mid 40's) who have never worked a day in their lives. They sleep up to 16 a houswe, so that's not really much housing being taken up. As for taking our women, well if British men don't know how to treat a lady can you blame them for falling for people who treat them with respect?
I am glad that this poster has been allowed to state his opinion. Even though many people do not agree with his opinion, he has a right to free speech. The PC Brigade (who are they? where are they?) are responsible for a lot of this resentment . They have made a lot of people paranoid. Afraid to speak out about what is troubling them, for fear of being labelled racist. I am pleased to see that has not happened here. Though I have to say I was shocked when I saw the post.
Why is it that when so many people talk about British culture, it's from a specific period between the end of WW1 and the beginning of the 1960's?
British culture has been shaped by centuries of immigration, whether it be 17th Century Huguenots, 19th Century Irish following the potato famine, or settlers after both world wars escaping persecution or staying in the country that they fought alongside. Check back through your family tree, and I bet it doesn't take many generations before you find immigration in your own history.
I don't think in the majority of cases, people are racist, I think that there is a natural mis-trust for cultures that are alien to us. That's why people don't bat an eyelid about immigration from Ireland, Australia or the USA, but get quite worked up about Somalian, Bangladeshi, or Iranian people choosing the UK to live in. But people need to wake up and realise that Madonna is precisely the same as the Nigerian gent who drives my bus in the morning.
You want people to abandon their culture as soon as they set foot on the doorstep? Forget it. You have a right to be proud of where you come from, and to hang around with people who are similar to you in terms of opionion and experience. That's not to say that people should live in their own little insular world and never experience anything new. NO-ONE should.
British culture has been shaped by centuries of immigration, whether it be 17th Century Huguenots, 19th Century Irish following the potato famine, or settlers after both world wars escaping persecution or staying in the country that they fought alongside. Check back through your family tree, and I bet it doesn't take many generations before you find immigration in your own history.
I don't think in the majority of cases, people are racist, I think that there is a natural mis-trust for cultures that are alien to us. That's why people don't bat an eyelid about immigration from Ireland, Australia or the USA, but get quite worked up about Somalian, Bangladeshi, or Iranian people choosing the UK to live in. But people need to wake up and realise that Madonna is precisely the same as the Nigerian gent who drives my bus in the morning.
You want people to abandon their culture as soon as they set foot on the doorstep? Forget it. You have a right to be proud of where you come from, and to hang around with people who are similar to you in terms of opionion and experience. That's not to say that people should live in their own little insular world and never experience anything new. NO-ONE should.
mariner2 you seem to think the UK won the war without Allies and Empire forces. Many of the immigrants of today are related to those who fought for what they would have considered the Mother country and their KIng or Emperor.
As for being in no worse a state than if the war had been lost, are you really comparing this country now to what like it would have been under Nazi control? Google a wee bit about the Nazis, The Final Solution and how about Nazi experiments.
When you've done that, let me know if you still think the same, ok?
As for being in no worse a state than if the war had been lost, are you really comparing this country now to what like it would have been under Nazi control? Google a wee bit about the Nazis, The Final Solution and how about Nazi experiments.
When you've done that, let me know if you still think the same, ok?
Christ, i'm away from the laptop for two hours and there's a million posts on here all needing answers!
Lets try and do them in order -
cambus can't be bothered with this thread anymore, probably because there's a few people that agree with me.
sp1814 points out that some black people from the colonies fought for this country in WW2 which is totally beside the point as this is not a racist issue.
He also wants me to outline the gov's immigration policy - "open door" would sum it up I think.
Quote from sp1814
- "Why are parts of the country and certain whole towns overrun with people that are SO FAR removed from the culture of this country?
Err...because they're from abroad. People from other countries tend to group together. Just like Europeans when they go to other countries. Did you not know that"
He apparently thinks this is an answer.
Then he goes all patronising and calls me ignorant of the world around me when I am SO much more travelled than he is, oh, and he compliments me on my spelling as if people with my views are illiterate. Strange.
Dear dear, it's funny how everybody seems to know exactly who I am - "mail reader" "little englander" yet if I referred to them as "sandal-wearing lefty yoghourt knitters" that would be another story.
There's too much to deal with in one post, all I'm saying is there is an open door policy which is a disgrace and it is destroying the cultural fabric of this country. To those that don't know how they would get to work without immigrants to drive buses I would say they seem to manage in Australia where they have a sensible immigration policy as I said before, they take in people they need (nurses for example) but strangely draw the line at religious nutters and other undesirables.
Lets try and do them in order -
cambus can't be bothered with this thread anymore, probably because there's a few people that agree with me.
sp1814 points out that some black people from the colonies fought for this country in WW2 which is totally beside the point as this is not a racist issue.
He also wants me to outline the gov's immigration policy - "open door" would sum it up I think.
Quote from sp1814
- "Why are parts of the country and certain whole towns overrun with people that are SO FAR removed from the culture of this country?
Err...because they're from abroad. People from other countries tend to group together. Just like Europeans when they go to other countries. Did you not know that"
He apparently thinks this is an answer.
Then he goes all patronising and calls me ignorant of the world around me when I am SO much more travelled than he is, oh, and he compliments me on my spelling as if people with my views are illiterate. Strange.
Dear dear, it's funny how everybody seems to know exactly who I am - "mail reader" "little englander" yet if I referred to them as "sandal-wearing lefty yoghourt knitters" that would be another story.
There's too much to deal with in one post, all I'm saying is there is an open door policy which is a disgrace and it is destroying the cultural fabric of this country. To those that don't know how they would get to work without immigrants to drive buses I would say they seem to manage in Australia where they have a sensible immigration policy as I said before, they take in people they need (nurses for example) but strangely draw the line at religious nutters and other undesirables.
It`s getting to the stage now that the truth about immigration is coming out
Too many people have come over here and the strain is now showing, forget all the bollox about they are good for the economy and doing the jobs lazy Brits won`t do
Look at the schools, how many classes now are overrun with kids who can`t speak English
The doctors and hospital waiting rooms full up with foreigners
The crime rate has gone through the roof
The people on here who support all this immigration ***** must live with their heads up their arse, everywhere I go they all have the same view about immigration yet on here you get the dogooders who support them
I lived in Enfield, North London and it was a nice place to live, but in the last 5 years or so it`s become a sh!thole, every other shop is now a 24/7 greengrocers or kebab shop, the schools are so over populated there are 30 kids per class
I`ve moved to a small village now in which there is a school which has just 46 kids, all of them speak English and the neighbours all speak English
This country is f*cked
Too many people have come over here and the strain is now showing, forget all the bollox about they are good for the economy and doing the jobs lazy Brits won`t do
Look at the schools, how many classes now are overrun with kids who can`t speak English
The doctors and hospital waiting rooms full up with foreigners
The crime rate has gone through the roof
The people on here who support all this immigration ***** must live with their heads up their arse, everywhere I go they all have the same view about immigration yet on here you get the dogooders who support them
I lived in Enfield, North London and it was a nice place to live, but in the last 5 years or so it`s become a sh!thole, every other shop is now a 24/7 greengrocers or kebab shop, the schools are so over populated there are 30 kids per class
I`ve moved to a small village now in which there is a school which has just 46 kids, all of them speak English and the neighbours all speak English
This country is f*cked
I used to spend a fair bit of time in Enfield. It was a bit of a hole five years (+) ago.
The thing is whenever this topic is debated and it's shown time and time again that there's a difference between immigration, emigration and migration no one pays the blindest bit of notice.
Nor is any notice taken of the good that people coming to our country has done.
And then those of us that actually bother to read up on it get accused of either having noodle knitting tendencies or having our heads up our ar5es. Neither of which is the case.
We can all debate using facts and stats but when it's just personal opinion then it seems that blinkers are on all round and that opinions are made that can not be changed. It doesn't seem like a healthy way of debating to me.
The thing is whenever this topic is debated and it's shown time and time again that there's a difference between immigration, emigration and migration no one pays the blindest bit of notice.
Nor is any notice taken of the good that people coming to our country has done.
And then those of us that actually bother to read up on it get accused of either having noodle knitting tendencies or having our heads up our ar5es. Neither of which is the case.
We can all debate using facts and stats but when it's just personal opinion then it seems that blinkers are on all round and that opinions are made that can not be changed. It doesn't seem like a healthy way of debating to me.
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